2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by 868904

What exactly is Virtanen doing on social media? Is he out partying and just generally being unprofessional?

If so, I want nothing to do with that in the Flames locker room. Don't need that kind of influence with the young team.

Did you quote the wrong post ..?? I Didn’t mention or know of any perceived social media issues with him??

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

problem is, what does it take to acquire him? And what does he want for a salary?

(Virtanen)

I think those of us okay with acquiring him mean if he is not given a qualifying offer. I would assume if he gets no QO at 1.5m, that he'd sign for 1m ballpark.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I think those of us okay with acquiring him mean if he is not given a qualifying offer. I would assume if he gets no QO at 1.5m, that he'd sign for 1m ballpark.

That was what I was talking about.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

If Virtanen was a free asset then I’d be interested in a 1 year deal that saw him get some time on a Dube - Bennett - Virtanen line. Maybe I’d consider a Jankowski RFA for Virtanen RFA swap but still not quite sure. Personally I think Jankowski has shown more and at least provides valuable PK minutes and is a natural Center.

If you want a Rene Bourque type player that takes bad penalties and comes with conditioning issues with off ice distractions, Virtanen is your guy.

Stay away from him. On paper he checks a few boxes. All the tools but no toolbox.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Virtanen is a poor man's David Jones who can skate fast.

Do Not Want.

A fast David Jones isn’t that bad of a concept for me and Scorpion would be ecstatic. At age 26 Jones scored 27 goals. I think Virtanen improved significantly the last two years.

[Enoch Root]

At $1M with no acquisition cost, I would be interested. The team could use more speed.

Anything more than that though, and it starts to affect their ability to sign more important players (hall, Brodie, whomever), so then it's a pass for me.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

At $1M with no acquisition cost, I would be interested. The team could use more speed.

Anything more than that though, and it starts to affect their ability to sign more important players (hall, Brodie, whomever), so then it's a pass for me.

If they let Janko go (as I think they might) it’s an easier signing.

[Iggy599]

I hope Jankowski isn’t back next season. He is tough to watch.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If they let Janko go (as I think they might) it’s an easier signing.

I am already assuming Jankowski is gone, and Virtanen would be replacing a min-salary replacement player, which again, at $1M, I would be all for but I would guess he gets more than that (closer to $2M)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am already assuming Jankowski is gone, and Virtanen would be replacing a min-salary replacement player, which again, at $1M, I would be all for but I would guess he gets more than that (closer to $2M)

I’m sure he gets more than 1 but I think he won't get 2.

[djsFlames]

Contracts aside, strictly looking at the player. Would you rather have Lucic or Simmonds on your team.

[Heavy Jack]

Lucic hands down, he’s carving out his role for the latter parts of his career now and I like the elements he brought to the team. That said if you could get Wayne Simmonds on a year low AAV show me contract and run Lucic - Dube - Simmonds than why not both??

[Moneyhands23]

Lucic is my friend from now on. For good or bad

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Contracts aside, strictly looking at the player. Would you rather have Lucic or Simmonds on your team.

Lucic.

Still a net-benefit to your roster. Simmonds is not.

Simmonds, like Neal, walked off a cliff play-wise.

[djsFlames]

The fact that they relied on Lucic for offense later in the series should not have been the case. He's great at his specific role in a playoff situation and made a fan out of me. We just need better top players ahead of him so that he doesn't need to be counted on to do more than what makes him most effective.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Contracts aside, strictly looking at the player. Would you rather have Lucic or Simmonds on your team.

Neither.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by New Era

Neither.

disagree. did a dig into Lucic's numbers for a piece I finished at FN and he's one of the Flames' top defensive players in terms of preventing quality chances. the Flames only saw fewer shots headed towards their net when Giordano and Jankowski were on the ice.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

disagree. did a dig into Lucic's numbers for a piece I finished at FN and he's one of the Flames' top defensive players in terms of preventing quality chances. the Flames only saw fewer shots headed towards their net when Giordano and Jankowski were on the ice.

I don’t doubt your stats but that should be sending off alarm bells about the state of this team.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I don’t doubt your stats but that should be sending off alarm bells about the state of this team.

Ehhhh. The Flames were basically dead in the middle of the pack defensively this year. 15th in expected goals against/game with 2.31.

With Jankowski on the ice that figure improved to 1.94 xGA/60.

Giordano: 2.07 xGA/60
Lucic: 2.10 xGA/60

Also ranking highly: Andersson, Rieder, Brodie, Frolik, Bennett.

Ranking poorly: Stone, Hamonic, Rinaldo, Monahan, Hanifin, Dube, Gaudreau.

[Bonded]

The fact that Jankowski ranked in anything near the top makes me not believe you ha