Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Pretty sure there's a curfew in effect there? So they are actually doing something technically wrong by being out on their porch. Whether that justifies firing pepper at them is I guess a matter of perspective.

I'm not going to say too much on what your assumptions here mean, other than to say that you're dead wrong, as were the national guard in this. Actual text of the curfew: "must not travel on any public street or in any public place."

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I'm not going to say too much on what your assumptions here mean, other than to say that you're dead wrong

Wow, it's as if you guys can't simply type, "actually, that's incorrect - the curfew doesn't require you to be indoors. It only requires you to be off of the streets".

It's 930 am Sunday morning, do you always wake up like this? For ####'s sake, I stand corrected already. Yeesh.

[AltaGuy]

All good, Corsi. I enjoy your takes.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Wow, it's as if you guys can't simply type, "actually, that's incorrect - the curfew doesn't require you to be indoors. It only requires you to be off of the streets" without being complete twats.

It's 930 am Sunday morning, do you always wake up like this? For ####'s sake, I stand corrected already. Yeesh.

We will need you to step up to the Gallows of Shame.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

All good, Corsi. I enjoy your takes.

No worries. The fact that people can have at least some variance in opinion in here without getting dogpiled (for the most part, anyway) is making for a pretty good way to keep up on what's going on without having to use reddit.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We will need you to step up to the Gallows of Shame.

I'm more of a "Stockade of Infamy" guy.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

So, unless I have my data and facts wrong, which is totally possible, I think the debate will boil down to this.

White people, per interaction with police in the USA , are killed more often than black people. But black people have so many more interaction with the police their overall rate of being killed is higher.

So is there systmetic racism causing higher incidence interaction? Is it due to poverty? Is that poverty also caused by systmetic racism? What can be done by that?

These are difficult and nuanced issues so I expect it won't be discussed in general public discourse.

Keep in mind, non-latino, non-Hispanic whites make up 60% of the population, and whites including those groups make up 77% of the population. Black/African American people are only 13%. So, for the number of deaths by race to be equal in proportion to population, you would expect around 5 to 6 times as many whites to be killed. The number of deaths being equal shows at least a much higher percentage of the black population being killed.

[Looch City]

LOL this guy:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/polit...ntv/index.html

National security adviser Robert O'Brien on Sunday denied in an interview on CNN that systemic racism exists across the nation's police forces, arguing instead that "a few bad apples" give the impression of racism among law enforcement officers.

This is exactly what's wrong in America and why these protests will continue. Willful ignorance. Or is it just ####ing stupidity?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Keep in mind, non-latino, non-Hispanic whites make up 60% of the population, and whites including those groups make up 77% of the population. Black/African American people are only 13%. So, for the number of deaths by race to be equal in proportion to population, you would expect around 5 to 6 times as many whites to be killed. The number of deaths being equal shows at least a much higher percentage of the black population being killed.

You're assuming all groups commit crime equally.


The more important stat is that 80% of prison immates are black. Do more blacks commit crimes, probably yes. But do more blacks get charged and convicted of crimes, absolutely yes.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'd feel a hell a lot better than if my step son (well foster son) was George Floyd, he's dead, like 1 to 2000 mostly coloured Americans every year, if asking the Police nicely worked I would be with you in decrying violence but so far Black America has been asking nicely not to be murdered for centuries and they are still being killed in their thousands a year, how do you propose black America stops cops killing them?

Your stats are way off base.

I think thats part of the issue some on the board are pointing out to you and pepsi. You present yourselves as having some insider knowledge or educated opinion. But in reality, you cherry pick whatever information you need to support your already formed opinion.

And you side stepped the question because it makes you feel uncomfortable to challenge your belief.

Someone made a comment earlier in the thread that I think many should rethink - its ok to be outraged by what happened to Floyd, and also be outraged by the riots. Both are senseless.

[PsYcNeT]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1267088346167287808

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

https://twitter.com/user/status/1267088346167287808

So ignore the looting?

People can do multiple things...

[NewDad]

Pretty crazy when you can’t even stand on your own porch.

https://streamable.com/u2jzoo

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

What does looting, rioting, beating up female cops, and almost killing a man have to do with protesting?


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Unfortunate side effects, often caused by police escalation. The cops marching with the protesters aren’t having the same problems that those who are indiscriminately pepper spraying and clubbing are.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by calculoso

So ignore the looting?

People can do multiple things...

Businesses are insured.

[Yamer]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1267021883938988038

https://twitter.com/user/status/1267035077403242496

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You're assuming all groups commit crime equally.


The more important stat is that 80% of prison immates are black. Do more blacks commit crimes, probably yes. But do more blacks get charged and convicted of crimes, absolutely yes.

I just stated the fact that there are a lot more white people, so for deaths to be equal in proportion to population there should be a lot more white deaths. That's just a fact, not a claim about why it is that way.

More blacks being incarcerated is an additional fact.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

LOL this guy:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/polit...ntv/index.html


This is exactly what's wrong in America and why these protests will continue. Willful ignorance. Or is it just ####ing stupidity?

It bugs me that the expression is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" but it's being used as if "a few bad apples is ok as long as the rest are good". A few ####ty, racist cops cause the whole force to corrupt because they have to cover for their "brothers". If they did a good job weeding these people out then we wouldn't be in this situation.

[DownInFlames]

Journalist and mother-of-two, 37, is left blind in one eye after 'being shot with a rubber bullet' at Minneapolis protest

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ac6e2d89f25dcc

NSFW!

[transplant99]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1267020630832173057

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You're assuming all groups commit crime equally.


The more important stat is that 80% of prison immates are black. Do more blacks commit crimes, probably yes. But do more blacks get charged and convicted of crimes, absolutely yes.

And get harsher penalties for their crimes.