Poor PDO doesn’t necessarily mean you can keep playing lousy perimeter offense but it will eventually work for you.
I feel the same way
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Kuemper made 30 saves, but none of them seemed too terribly difficult. I remember 2 posts, and Frolik getting in tight... but that's about it.
From what I understand of PDO, that number is fairly tilted if the goalie was stopping muffins all night. By that same logic, our wide open cage had a helluva night too.
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A team shooting 4% five on five with a PDO of 93% is going to be fine.
Ugh. This or some iteration is what was preached by many here during Gulutzans reign of terror for two straight years....and it wasn't fine. I don't think it is time to panic (yet) but there are concerns to be had.
The fact the Flames are playing sound defensive hockey (for the most part) is a major win. The concerning part is players like Monahan, Guadreau are being completely outclassed more often than naught and it doesn't seem to be coming to an end with back to back brutual performances from them this week.
They have a combined 4 goals since the all star break!
This team won't go anywhere unless it's two top line players start taking it up a notch, create a more meaningful, consistent impact on games.
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The team is in a slump. Let's take a positive out of this, the team is facing adversity which is a good thing. They will face adversity in the playoffs and I would much rather them figure out how to deal with it now than in April, May or June.
When the Flames were playing well (franchise record pace) prior to the All Star break their PDO was worse than under Gulutzan so I'm not putting a lot of stock into PDO as any sort of indication of success.
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I think the team is struggling a bit to the standards in with officiating down the stretch. There has been so much obstruction and plays away from the puck to interfere and slow down the team that they look frustrated and it's in their head.
I knew it was going to be a long game when Bennett's first shift he was 50 feet from the puck and got taken down by Demers in front of the ref. The great equalizer to a skill team is being able to gum up and slow the game down.
When the Flames were playing well (franchise record pace) prior to the All Star break their PDO was worse than under Gulutzan so I'm not putting a lot of stock into PDO as any sort of indication of success.
That's how I feel. When it comes to PDO, it's a pretty useless stat based on the past few years. It can tell you the numbers related to shots and such, but not the actual quality.
Quality > quantity. The eye test right now indicates the Flames aren't getting high quality shots that forces goalies to make tough saves.
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That's how I feel. When it comes to PDO, it's a pretty useless stat based on the past few years. It can tell you the numbers related to shots and such, but not the actual quality.
Quality > quantity. The eye test right now indicates the Flames aren't getting high quality shots that forces goalies to make tough saves.
Yes and this is exactly why you have 2-3 of the teams top offensive threats barely able to score over the last month or so and there's much more to it than simply assuming the percentages will turn.
The top unit must get back to moving the puck quickly, assertively and finding ways to get shots off in tough areas. Too slow and too many from the outside is why the Flames can't manage to put up the goals they were then they were dealing.
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Its less the PDO and more the shooting percentage that Bingo is talking about.
Flames have a shooting percentage of 8.4% on the year. Seems highly unlikely that this 4% shooting percentage (which would be 2.6% worse than every team in the league) is going to be an ongoing issue.
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That's how I feel. When it comes to PDO, it's a pretty useless stat based on the past few years. It can tell you the numbers related to shots and such, but not the actual quality.
Quality > quantity. The eye test right now indicates the Flames aren't getting high quality shots that forces goalies to make tough saves.
I don't know if I totally agree with this.
In the Toronto game you had:
Czarnik on the feed from Bennett behind the net
Czarnik on the breakaway
Lindholm on the 2-1
Gaudreau in the slot
Tkachuk in the slot
Against Minny you had:
Czarnik disallowed goal
Gaudreau and Monahan passing play in the slot
Monahan in the slot/Frolik on the rebound
Bennett off the post
Against Vegas you had:
Disallowed goal
Hathaway tip in front
Tkachuk in the slot from Monahan
Monahan tip in front that almost went in
Gaudreau down mainstreet
Gio backhand in the slot
Gio attempt with the goalie pulled.
Against Arizona (which I think was their worst game by far) you still had:
The opening PP with 4-5 good opportunities
Lindholm off the post
Frolik in front
Andersson in front
Backlund in the high slot
I agree they definitely aren't playing as well as they can right now, but they have also ran into a string of hot goalies that have compounded the issue. All of the above were "royal road" type opportunities. They just aren't going in right now. I chalk up the last half of that Arizona game to being tired too.
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Its less the PDO and more the shooting percentage that Bingo is talking about. The PDO is bad because the shooting percentage is bad.
Flames have a shooting percentage of 8.4% on the year. Seems highly unlikely that this 4% shooting percentage (which would be 2.6% worse than every team in the league) is going to be an ongoing issue.
For sure. But this has as more to do with what the Flames are not doing offensively - playing up tempo, decisive hockey that generated a lot of looks from tough areas. Until they get back to that, or something close to it again, there's no reason to think things will just automatically shift back on their own.
Every team is going to have a couple dips throughout the year. So long as they don't let this slide into a 6,7, 8 game disaster, there's no reason to think they've suddenly lost their way entirely. From my view, almost everyone but Monahan and Guadreau have played pretty well the last 2 games, sooner than later you'd expect those guys to figure it out again.
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Not buying it. Pampered millionaires being whisked around in luxury buses to catch chartered flights then off to premium hotels and catered meals with a staff of nutritionists, physical therapists and trainers at their beck and call. Life on the road must be tough with little to no responsibility for the daily chores and drudgery of what millions of mere mortals have to endure while struggling to get by, working for a whole year for what most of these players make in a game or three. They are tired? Yeah, that must be it...
So are you suggesting that because these guys are well paid....they can't get tired after flying back and forth across the continent 6 times in a month?
High level athletes are a lot of things...including human.
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I think the team is struggling a bit to the standards in with officiating down the stretch. There has been so much obstruction and plays away from the puck to interfere and slow down the team that they look frustrated and it's in their head.
I knew it was going to be a long game when Bennett's first shift he was 50 feet from the puck and got taken down by Demers in front of the ref. The great equalizer to a skill team is being able to gum up and slow the game down.
I agree with you. Although I hate that the teams have to adjust to officiating standards 2/3 the way through the season. What other so called professional league does this? I was much rather enjoying the fast, free wheeling hockey in Dec and Jan. And not for the obvious reasons. Hell the 2 losses to TB were some of the best games I’ve seen in a long time (well, entertaining maybe not best)
Honestly I’m not even looking forward to the playoffs cuz I already know that this team won’t be allowed to use their speed and skill and they’re not built for this “rugby on ice” bullspit that has started ramping up the last few weeks. It’s just frustrating as all hell to try and watch this crap lately (NHL not the team)
The Flames were not playing well before the ASG. The common chatter was that they needed the break to work on their game because scoring 5G a game wasn't going to continue. Even Peters was talking about how hard it was for him to instill better habits when the team kept on winning. The team D was far too loose.
Now they are playing tight, but the scoring dried up.
The team hasnt been able to do both at the same time.
Team outscored their way of poor defensive play prior to break.
Came back to lose 4 straight.
Won 7 in a row with a few luck breaks along the way.
Lost 4 straight when the breaks stopped coming.
Concerning. But I have faith in Peters.
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I think the Fan960 sarcastic player profile is jinxing us... this morning they were making fun of Keller and he scores. A while ago they made fun of Benn on the Habs and he made a contribution in the game.
