Following up on my long rambling post. . . . Lots of coaches on the market who have proven to be very successful in the NHL, yet Treliving again hires a guy with no evidence of success, but who he thinks could turn out to be a very successful NHL coach. This has convinced my the Brad Treliving is Peter Griffen:
Treliving subtext at the hiring press conference: "Who can resist the call of the mystery box??"
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Bradley's philosophy on hiring an NHL HC in a nutshell.
If the coach has won a Cup, gone to the Cup or has coached several times in the playoffs. He says I am not interested.
If an NHL coach loses in the regular season more than he wins but has won outside of the NHL, while wiping pops BP sauce off his shirt Treliving rushes out of the door gets a contract ready & says that's the kind of winner I like he needs to be hired right away.
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Is it that difficult for many to accept the idea that Peters perhaps was a hot commodity?
Yes, a hot commodity. Dallas and perhaps the Rangers were after him and the Flames had to poop or get off the pot.
If the Flames were sold on him, they had to move quickly. It appears they did.
Stay tuned.
As stated earlier , he is a Mike Babcock disciple. Worked with Babcock well. Still takes player talent.
The frustration is understandable but if you want to go back and study the rebuild up to this point, look carefully at what the Flames received for their top 3 assets and in the case of 2 of them , how long they waited to move them.
Losing Kipper and trading Iginla for basically nothing, two years after they should have been traded and trading Bouwmeester for nothing a whole season before he became a free agent, set the rebuild back substantially.
As a result, the talent level is not where it should be or should have been.
Will a good coach make a difference? Of course!
But so does good and deep talent.
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Have only read the thread in spurts, but put me in the camp of those thoroughly unimpressed with this (apparent) signing
Now, I'm not saying it's a foregone conclusion that Peters will be a failure, but there's also little to make me think that he's likely to be successful beyond throwing blind trust in Treliving. And that's not something I'm willing to do.
I (like many people) have spent much of the last two seasons first expressing dissatisfaction with the Flames performance under Gulutzan, then questioning Gulutzan's coaching generally, and finally calling for his firing. It's been two seasons of feeling that the potential of the team was being wasted.
So Treliving finally gives GG his pink-slip, and we're looking at a pool of potential coaches with some impressive resumes of success in the NHL; guys who have proven tat they can lead a team into the playoffs consistently, and win when they get there. Yet, from that deep pool, Treliving seems to have reeled in another guy who, on paper, looks a lot like Gulutzan: a guy with some success at other levels, but ZERO success at the NHL level.
A lot of posters who have called out the negative comments have said something along the lines of: "Look at the rosters in Carolina. No wonder he hasn't had success. Be patient." And that's fair to some extent. . . . BUT. . . .
Every expert looked at the team put together in Vegas and predicted struggles, yet the team has excelled like no other expansion team. And that is in no small part due to the way Gallant has coached them. He instilled a system that took advantage of his players strength, and got them to buy in to the point where they individually and collectively elevated their play beyond anything they'd done before. And that was something Gallant had done in Florida: He took over a team that had put up 66 points, and led them to seasons of 91 and 103 points.
What does that have to do with Peters? IMO, you may be willing to give him a pass based on having a crappy roster. But if you're going to bypass some proven coaches to hire him, I would at least like to see some evidence that he got a bad roster to elevate their play to some degree. Some evidence that they may not have been good, but they were better that they would have been without him. And I don't see it. In the season before he took over in Carolina, the team put up 83 points. The next few season, under Peters they put up 71 and 86 points. Basically, zero elevation.
Finally, when I tune into Elliotte Friedman's radio interview on the subject, I hear nothing about Peters being a good coach, just a defense of the hiring on the grounds that Treliving is familiar with him, he's Treliving's pick, and you have to let a GM hire his guy. So zero confidence added there.
I'm not despondent. I'm not saying it's a foregone conclusion that Peters will be a failure. But I see no objective evidence that would lead me to conclude that he's likely to be a success, which I would have had with a number of other guys that could have been hired instead.
Thank you for such a rational post. I am perfectly fine with critical posts that have this amount of thought put into them. I'm kinda on your wavelength on this decision, but I also recognize that I simply don't have enough information to evaluate whether this is a good or bad decision. It's just a decision at this point, and we will likely have to wait and see. Sometimes that's all you can do as a fan, because it's hard to know how things could come together...like Gallant's work in Vegas that you pointed out so well.
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Welp gotta have faith, Treliving clearly feels this is the guy he’s gonna put his job on the line for. Hope he’s right. A bit odd they aren’t even going to interview other candidates.
Peters had a budget team in Carolina, but I always liked the way they played. I’m willing to be optimistic if this team just starts to become entertaining again.
Honestly, this (probable) hiring seems in line with Treliving's "process." It seems he wants a puck possession team and is happy with what Gulutzan was trying to achieve (aside from the results).
If Peters brings the same system that management wants, seems like a good fit. The hope is that his harder approach will improve some of the lazy efforts we witnessed over the last couple of years.
Not sure how to feel about it yet, but I have to respect that Treliving is sticking with his overall vision, for better or for worse. His job depends on this hiring so he must be confident.
This is the part that worries me, It takes a special kind of coach to be able to motivate the troops the way we have seen Gerard Gallant, or Darryl Sutter. We saw with Brent Sutter being a hard ass coach does not always work and can have short results. What we need is a coach who knows how to win and get the players believing and buying in. The big question is, will these guys play for this coach or will we have more of the same? I want to support this coach but feeling a little discouraged. I do believe if we have another poor start we may see some changes much sooner than expected.
I wonder why the PK bottom out in year #4. that seems like a blip.
Still, that PP is better than what Cameron produced last year. I have some hope.
Just need a good assistant.
While the 2018 Hurricanes had a poor PK%, they were still tied for fourth in the NHL for fewest goals against on the penalty kill. The best PK is no PK.
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While the 2018 Hurricanes had a poor PK%, they were still tied for fourth in the NHL for fewest goals against on the penalty kill.
That is where I see some positives.
1) Bad penalties should be reduced dramatically. That will actually be useful because
2) the PP must improve under the new regime because it really can’t get worse
Maybe if you take the same perimeter hockey racking up shots but not goals, improve discipline and special teams, and have a crusty guy there this team can conquer the world
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While the 2018 Hurricanes had a poor PK%, they were still tied for fourth in the NHL for fewest goals against on the penalty kill. The best PK is no PK.
Unless Peters completely neuters Tkachuks game, there is no way we will be one of the least penalized teams.
To top things off, it's rumoured to be a four-year contract...Tre playing it safe by ensuring that with the term, the owners may hesitate to can the new coach.
While the 2018 Hurricanes had a poor PK%, they were still tied for fourth in the NHL for fewest goals against on the penalty kill. The best PK is no PK.
This is the most positive indicator I have seen so far.
This rumoured hire still smacks of a lack of flexibility/adaptiveness/willingness to learn on Treliving's part, desperately clinging to a failed team philosophy that produced good advanced stats but precious little else.
To top things off, it's rumoured to be a four-year contract...Tre playing it safe by ensuring that with the term, the owners may hesitate to can the new coach.
This is the first I've heard the term attached to the (soon to be) hire. Where did you hear that?
This is the first I've heard the term attached to the (soon to be) hire. Where did you hear that?
Some guy on Twitter said he has a source who told him about the Jagr and Foo signings and he was told it was four years. He said it would be announced in 24-48 hours.
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Some guy on Twitter said he has a source who told him about the Jagr and Foo signings and he was told it was four years. He said it would be announced in 24-48 hours.
Sounds legit.
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on the same token, if peters is gg 2.0 then treliving has already constructed a team tailor built to that style(or has been trying to since he came on and his hiring of gg)
Yep. It's worrying that Treliving has his profile of a coach in mind and that this profile targeted GG last go round, which resulted in a boring, frustrating and unsuccessful team.
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