What will Colborne's new contract be?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I said biggest problem offensively, and it's pretty obvious that or forward group needs more offense after Gaudreau & Monahan. 3 of the teams top 5 scorers are defensemen, just 7 forwards with more than 20 points (one of whom has been traded), just 7 forwards with 10 goals or more (again oine of whom has been traded). And you want to dump the forward that is #4 in points and #3 in goals, yeah if secondary scoring wasn't a problem before it would be after that.

Well I disagree we have a problem offensively. We score enough to win games and have for what, the last 7 years? Defence and goaltending is what is hurting us especially weak 2 way forwards on the bottom 6. Getting rid of Colborne will help the defensive side if you replace him with Hathaway or even Agostino.

When you're 10th in league scoring and still one of the worst teams in the NHL why would you re-sign a lot of the bad defensive players?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Well I disagree we have a problem offensively. We score enough to win games and have for what, the last 7 years? Defence and goaltending is what is hurting us especially weak 2 way forwards on the bottom 6. Getting rid of Colborne will help the defensive side if you replace him with Hathaway or even Agostino.

When you're 10th in league scoring and still one of the worst teams in the NHL why would you re-sign a lot of the bad defensive players?

Again I never said we have a problem offensively! I said the biggest problem within our offense is secondary scoring. You seem completely unable to understand that even the strongest part of the team can have flaws within it.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Again I never said we have a problem offensively! I said the biggest problem within our offense is secondary scoring. You seem completely unable to understand that even the strongest part of the team can have flaws within it.

I understand exactly what you are saying, and I agree the Flames don't have a major problem scoring goals. But I would tend to disagree that secondary scoring is a problem, and say our problem within the offense is the powerplay.

The biggest problem OVERALL with the Flames (and I don't think anyone really disagrees) is the defensive system & goaltending.

I'm excited for the draft, the summer trades/signings and for the season to start. Next year will be interesting, but critical to the long term direction of the team we love.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Again I never said we have a problem offensively! I said the biggest problem within our offense is secondary scoring. You seem completely unable to understand that even the strongest part of the team can have flaws within it.

Oh give me a break. I'm totally able to understand and comprehend just fine just think we don't need Colborne for our secondary scoring "concerns". He played like hot garbage when the games mattered and only stepped it up under zero pressure which I have no doubt Conroy was alluding to. He's soft, doesn't hit and I've never seen a player get so lucky with their goals as he has in the last month. I don't think the Flames will even re-sign him probably trade him for a fourth rounder.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I understand exactly what you are saying, and I agree the Flames don't have a major problem scoring goals. But I would tend to disagree that secondary scoring is a problem, and say our problem within the offense is the powerplay.

The biggest problem OVERALL with the Flames (and I don't think anyone really disagrees) is the defensive system & goaltending.

I'm excited for the draft, the summer trades/signings and for the season to start. Next year will be interesting, but critical to the long term direction of the team we love.

You don't think secondary scoring is the biggest problem with the PP? If we had more secondary scoring the PP would most likely receive a boost as well. That doesn't mean we should dump the guys we have before we find a resolution.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Colborne is the perfect 3rd liner that can step in, in the event of an injury.

Seems like if you aren't a 30 goal scorer, people on here want you traded.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Tough crowd. On Canucks forums they are excited that both Horvat and Baertschi may eclipse 30 points this season while Flames fans want to ship out Colborne for getting close to 40 points like these types of players on entry level deals grow on trees.

As many already pointed out, scoring isn't exactly a problem for the Flames. The Flames are currently 5th in the west in GF(behind DAL,SJS,CHI, and NSH). In terms of offense it is timely scoring that the Flames struggle with. For example, in 11 games against the Ducks, Kings and Sharks he has 2 points. That being said, it is keeping goals away from our net that seemed to be the problem this season. Among the forwards Colborne has the 3rd worst +/- at minus 9(behind only Ferland and Bollig). As a result, I don't entirely trust in Colborne's two way game.

Finally, this season Colborne has a shooting percentage of 18.5%. Is it sustainable? I highly doubt it, especially when you consider that a large chunk of his points are from players banking shots off him. I just think we emphasize the score sheet a little too much. It is doing the right things consistently that I am missing in Colborne's game in order to commit to him for 2-3 years.

[Imported_Aussie]

Tough call - Colborne always looks like he can do more, but you cannot wait for potential forever. If he will take a lower $$ deal, I say keep him, but he also comes up as a potential trade asset. I think the Flames have a lot of guys now and knocking on the door who will fill out the bottom 2 lines. They need to ask themselves if they see Colborne ending up in their top 6, and if not, it might be a good time to cash him in

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

You don't think secondary scoring is the biggest problem with the PP? If we had more secondary scoring the PP would most likely receive a boost as well. That doesn't mean we should dump the guys we have before we find a resolution.

You think Colborne contributes to the PP? He has two power play points in over two hours of PP time. You could replace him with Lance Bouma and we'd have the same contribution on the PP.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You think Colborne contributes to the PP? He has two power play points in over two hours of PP time. You could replace him with Lance Bouma and we'd have the same contribution on the PP.

Don't put words in my mouth. But as long as the PP is struggling we cannot afford to lose goals elsewhere.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Don't put words in my mouth. But as long as the PP is struggling we cannot afford to lose goals elsewhere.

Actually since we are 10th in goals we can afford to lose goals as long as we keep them out of our net as well. Losing Colborne will do that.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Don't put words in my mouth. But as long as the PP is struggling we cannot afford to lose goals elsewhere.

Sure we can. Success isn't measured by goals. We're 7th in goal scoring. The Ducks are 24th in goal scoring. I would gladly improve in other areas to be the Ducks.

[polak]

People are using the need for more scoring as a reason to keep Colborne!?

The only reason Colborne has picked it up is more ice time but he cannot get that much ice time if we expect to win, he's simply not a top 6 player in the NHL and he's not producing like one even now.

He has to go. He was awful his entire time here up until the last month. A single month where you play as serviceable NHL'er should not get you any favors. He can hang around if he takes 4th line dollars. Otherwise I hope he's gone.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Actually since we are 10th in goals we can afford to lose goals as long as we keep them out of our net as well. Losing Colborne will do that.

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Sure we can. Success isn't measured by goals. We're 7th in goal scoring. The Ducks are 24th in goal scoring. I would gladly improve in other areas to be the Ducks.

and we already lost Hudler and Russell, will also probably lose Wideman too.

But hey don't let little things like facts get in the way of your blind disdain for Colborne.

[ThatsRobbery]

I think this is a situation where you give him a 1 year deal and see what he can do next year and if we can keep up this production. He still is an RFA so maybe a little bump in salary and see what he can do next year.

[GranteedEV]

Blind disdain?

Between October and Mid-January Colborne was one of the worse players in the NHL - a liability on the ice. He's been truly good since Hartley scratched him.

It's not blind disdain for me to have reservations about overpaying for a player who was flat out bad for over half the season.

We don't miss Russell. Hudler is a loss, and an actual one. I would rather take that portion of Colborne's cap and put it into bringing Hudler back instead.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Blind disdain?

Between October and Mid-January Colborne was one of the worse players in the NHL - a liability on the ice. He's been truly good since Hartley scratched him.

It's not blind disdain for me to have reservations about overpaying for a player who was flat out bad for over half the season.

We don't miss Russell. Hudler is a loss, and an actual one. I would rather take that portion of Colborne's cap and put it into bringing Hudler back instead.

I was more referring to calgaryblood with that comment

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I have and I don't see anything wrong with them.

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I said biggest problem offensively, and it's pretty obvious that or forward group needs more offense after Gaudreau & Monahan. 3 of the teams top 5 scorers are defensemen, just 7 forwards with more than 20 points (one of whom has been traded), just 7 forwards with 10 goals or more (again oine of whom has been traded). And you want to dump the forward that is #4 in points and #3 in goals, yeah if secondary scoring wasn't a problem before it would be after that.

Calgaryblood, read Alberta_Beefs post.

If you don't see anything wrong with that, then I don't know what to say.

[Finger Cookin]

I don't have strong feelings either way about Colborne. Fine with him sticking around, wouldn't mind if he gets dealt.

EDIT: Oh, and to address the question from the topic, my guess is his next deal will have an AAV of $2.75M-$3.50M, over a term of two seasons.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

and we already lost Hudler and Russell, will also probably lose Wideman too.

But hey don't let little things like facts get in the way of your blind disdain for Colborne.

And? Losing those guys isn't a big deal. You have no clue how good teams build a contender. Do you think Chicago was happy to get rid of Byfuglien and Ladd? And the other good players they lost to the cap crunch?

Colborne is garbage which isn't blind disdain. Two teams gave up on him already and soon to be a third team.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Calgaryblood, read Alberta_Beefs post.

If you don't see anything wrong with that, then I don't know what to say.

I did read it and it's funny people see goal scoring as what is wrong with this team. I guess the media has gotten into people's heads. The team has consistently been bad defensively for a while now and let's re-sign one of the worst defensive players on the team? Even Oiler fans would laugh at that line of thinking.