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Old 01-09-2016, 08:35 AM   #761
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The way I see it is. Is it easier for a team to draft/sign/trade for Patty Kane like player, or a Milan Lucic like player ? I'm not comparing these guys directly just style wise and possibly potential. Sure both of them have solid value, but you take the Kane and run every time.
The Flames tried for a looong time to draft a Lucic type player and until Ferland have failed miserably. (not saying he's there yet but...)
and we got our Kane in the 4th round.(thank the hockey gods for their generosity)
No chance in hell would I trade a player who has proven his character both off ice and on ice ,and has shown to be coachable.
For a high-skill player who hasn't proven he can stick in the NHL and is pouting about it.
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There are always a few fans who overvalue their own players and blow opposing teams players flaws out of proportion. "I would never trade Ladislav Smid for Sidney Crosby. Smid is a true warrior and a character guy in the dressing room, Crosby is a whiner and fragile!".
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A trade for Drouin would involve the Flames best prospects and picks. Any trade proposal that does not involve one or more of the Flames top prospects and picks is a dream.
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If he gets you Drouin, you do it.

But if the Flames are at the point of looking more closely at organizational needs, Ferland is more valuable to the team than Drouin could be.

Today I trade Ferland + (small plus) for Drouin, but I think I might regret that trade within the next 2 years.
On no team is Ferland more valuable than Drouin
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ITT: Flames discover philosophers stone as they turn their trash to gold
CP offers spare parts when they know deep down that Yzerman would immediately counter with Dougie/Bennett.
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There are always a few fans who overvalue their own players and blow opposing teams players flaws out of proportion. "I would never trade Ladislav Smid for Sidney Crosby. Smid is a true warrior and a character guy in the dressing room, Crosby is a whiner and fragile!".
Ya but Smid is a character locker room guy. Who will teach the young guys? Think of the young guys.
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I liked the Hamilton situation better where only a few teams were in on it. BT may not fare as well in a bidding war. I would like to see the Flames make a run at him as long as our first not included. We are short on high end prospects.
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Old 01-09-2016, 10:25 AM   #769
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With all of this attention on Drouin, I would almost like it more if BT was spending all of his time running the phones on the young players whose names were floating around before Tampa Bay dropped that bomb. Maybe the time is now to sneak in on Tinordi, Hayes, Rychel or Ritchie and see if there is a steal somewhere when every other team is looking at the shiny keys that are being jingled.
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I can't believe how much Ferland is overrated by some. Since when is he anything more than a 4th line player? Don't get me wrong, he is good in the energy role, but he is not comparable to Lucic. When Lucic was around the same age as Ferland, he already had a 60 point (20+ goal) season and was in the midst of a 30 goal and his second 60 point season. Ferland has something like 3 goals and 11 points in 58 NHL games. I know he had set backs in development due to injuries and personal issues, but at this point he would have to have almost unprecedented development to reach Lucic's level.

I can't remember who it was (Kelly Hrudey maybe) who made the Lucic comparison in the playoffs last year, but I think it put unrealistic expectations on him. If he is considered a key piece in a deal for a prospect the level of Drouin, you take it no questions. It's a pipe dream to even think it's a possibility though.
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People wont like it but it would take something like

Posible trades without taking a bad contract:
-Ferland + a 2nd + a 3rd. (No way i trade Ferland right now)
-Andersen/Kylington/Hickey + Granlund + 2nd.
-Hudler (salary retained) + 2nd + 3rd. **** only if Hudler is healthy and producing by the deadline and tampa is on a playoff run.
-They will want a 1st but only teams in the playoffs would consider that.


Guys like Wideman, Russell and Raymond arent upgrades for them.
Try again.
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Drouin has a hard time listening to his coaches. I would like him, but I would not over pay for him.
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There are always a few fans who overvalue their own players and blow opposing teams players flaws out of proportion. "I would never trade Ladislav Smid for Sidney Crosby. Smid is a true warrior and a character guy in the dressing room, Crosby is a whiner and fragile!".
hoping you're not referring to me this is not lunch-bucket player compared to Ferrari player.
These are two top 6 caliber players who are finding their way in the league.
Each have a high skill set but a different skill set , maybe Drouin is getting a bad rap (for his attitude).
Ferland could be that "X" factor our top 6 need . Big,skilled,nasty , and good speed. that kind of mix can be as rare as the amazing skill Drouin possesses.

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Roster limits? Plus, quantity does not equal quality. The you have to think about salary considerations. Tampa gives up $6.4M in salary and takes on $15.7M. Puts Tampa over the cap by $9.3M.
Nah.. Send a couple guys to the minor or trade em for picks.

It got Toronto Dion Phaneuf!

But in all seriousness, don't forget Drouin has handcuffed Yzerman here. He has publicly stated he wants out of Tampa. That reduces his value big time. Just because CBJ got Jones for RyJo does not mean Drouin is going to get Tampa and equal return.

Johanson was/is a proven and established NHL'er. Drouin is simply a blue chip prospect with diminished value due to attitude.

I didn't think I needed green text for the offer I put together as it was pretty evident that it was a "throw everything and see what sticks" kind of proposal.

But its not to say Yzerman wouldn't mind a deal like that.

But the last few posts have me wonder something.

Is Ferland considered an untouchable right now unless it was to land us an elite or at least too end forward?

I love Ferland, and to me this kid has soooo much untapped potential and I can honestly see him being a top 6 guy and at minimum a middle 6 guy in the NHL. Add to that the character he has shown from life lessons. You can't coach that.

Edit: Carle signed through 17-18, 5.5M cap hit, played 30 games this season and has zero points.

After looking at that, Wideman, Russell, Hudler, Bouma and Raymond is Overpayment.

Bouma, Hudler and Wideman for Drouin and Carle should be more than enough.

It's funny, I was completely joking with my last proposal bit now, I'm not so sure.

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Nah.. Send a couple guys to the minor or trade em for picks.

It got Toronto Dion Phaneuf!

But in all seriousness, don't forget Drouin has handcuffed Yzerman here. He has publicly stated he wants out of Tampa. That reduces his value big time. Just because CBJ got Jones for RyJo does not mean Drouin is going to get Tampa and equal return.
There are reportedly 16 teams in on him, that is called demand. Yzerman can trade him to any of those teams, Drouin has no say to handcuff him.
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There are reportedly 16 teams in on him, that is called demand. Yzerman can trade him to any of those teams, Drouin has no say to handcuff him.
Well, he can simply not report to the next team.

You know exactly what I mean. Don't try and spin it to create an argument.

We are all being extremely speculative. 16 teams in on it doesn't mean 16 teams are putting together offers. And it is likely other teams can offer packages more suiting to Yzerman's wants.

But then he can't have Wideman!
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Michael Ferland has one goal this season. One.
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The Flames tried for a looong time to draft a Lucic type player and until Ferland have failed miserably. (not saying he's there yet but...)
and we got our Kane in the 4th round.(thank the hockey gods for their generosity)
No chance in hell would I trade a player who has proven his character both off ice and on ice ,and has shown to be coachable.
For a high-skill player who hasn't proven he can stick in the NHL and is pouting about it.
You wouldn't trade Ferland for Drouin?

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Well, he can simply not report to the next team.

You know exactly what I mean. Don't try and spin it to create an argument.

We are all being extremely speculative. 16 teams in on it doesn't mean 16 teams are putting together offers. And it is likely other teams can offer packages more suiting to Yzerman's wants.

But then he can't have Wideman!
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Michael Ferland has one goal this season. One.
one less than Drouin...
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