[News] Mike Richards on waivers - CLEARS

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There was also a rumour that he (Glencross) is expecting a child in April. Has that ever been confirmed?

If so, I don't think he waives his cause easily.

Lots of players have done just that. On the other hand, name more than 3 cases where a player with a NMC caused a problem. Sundin was one, but I can't think of another.

ETA: I don't mean refusal to waive for a specific destination. I mean refusal to agree to ANY trade.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yeah well I get a good chuckle when people toss Glencross in proposals thinking he is going to waive for anybody. Why would he leave a top line position on a team he has been with for nearly 7 years and took a big discount to stay, in his home province? A team he has missed the playoffs with for 5 years but is finally turning a corner? I just don't see hi waiving unless it is for a top team. Why leave now? If the Flames don't want to meet his contract demands he leaves in the summer. He holds all the power

Please remind me, who just won the Stanley Cup? We're not talking about Columbus here. Even if they so happen to be a single point behind us.

Yeah that seemed to be the case when he re-upped a few years ago, but GlenX's contract is up soon, he's getting older, and he hasn't had contract talks with the Flames recently. What makes you think he wouldn't consider waiving for the defending champs, of all teams? He can't expect his home province team to keep him on as their top left-winger that much longer with even more new talent entering the fold over the next season or two. It's a nice convenience for him, but one he can't expect to last.

This game is a business, and sometimes that doesn't align with someone preferences. I'm sure Glencross knows that fully.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is there a point though that the NHL just says no and doesn't approve a deal if it is so obviously one sided? I know that several years they banned trades directly for money because it is seen as detrimental to the league. If the Kings are obviously trading hockey assets for what is essentially money, would the league ever step in?

Don't overlook the cap space aspect of it either, it's not just cash at this point. Teams like New York can no longer throw money at Redden to get him off the team. It could be argued that the small market teams would be in favour of Los Angeles having to lose assets for signing a bad contract. Make the other 'have' teams question their decisions before throwing an absurd amount of money at a player because they can.

As for cap dumps, the Devils essentially traded a first to get rid of Malakhov's contract. Leafs have taken on Lombardi, Primeau and Kolzig which amounted to essentially 'cash' trades for draft picks/assets. Kotalik was purely a cash dump in the Regehr trade. There's been more than a couple and the league arguably made it easier with their decision to allow to retain salary in transactions.

However, with the team unable to bury (most) of Richard's contract, a team taking on Richards is not only on the hook for 22M in cash but a long-term sizable cap hit as well. Cap's a valuable asset, giving it up should require the King's to throw in valuable assets as well.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lots of players have done just that. On the other hand, name more than 3 cases where a player with a NMC caused a problem. Sundin was one, but I can't think of another.

ETA: I don't mean refusal to waive for a specific destination. I mean refusal to agree to ANY trade.

I think it's a mistake to assume that every situation would be leaked on the media or internet. Every year players become free agents and many of them have clauses. We wouldn't know if it was a case of them refusing or not. Sundin was a high profile player, so that could be why it was so public.

The above is true for any player, free agent or not. I am sure we don't hear about the vast majority of trade proposals for trades that never happen, no matter what the reason.

Also, Kiprusoff apparently refused a trade as well.

[sureLoss]

Richards has been officially assigned to the Manchester Monarchs.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Richards has been officially assigned to the Manchester Monarchs.

How do you learn this stuff so quickly? I am under the impression, that you sir, are in fact, a robot!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Richards has been officially assigned to the Manchester Monarchs.

Why is LA's farm team on the other side of the country?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why is LA's farm team on the other side of the country?

It won't be starting next year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why is LA's farm team on the other side of the country?

Calgary's was in St. John for many years. And Addy isn't exactly close.

[davidbjordan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Richards has been officially assigned to the Manchester Monarchs.

Never thought they would send him down right away, thought it was more for future flexibility... Wow if there isn't a fire under him now he never has a chance

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by davidbjordan

Never thought they would send him down right away, thought it was more for future flexibility... Wow if there isn't a fire under him now he never has a chance

Lombardi had already said they would send him down to "find his game" (sorta like what Treliving said about Setoguchi).

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Calgary's was in St. John for many years. And Addy isn't exactly close.

While true, LA to New Hampshire is damned near as far apart as geographically possible while remaining in the US.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Richards has been officially assigned to the Manchester Monarchs.

Awww crap, so we're putting the jersey group buy on hold then?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

Awww crap, so we're putting the jersey group buy on hold then?

Only until Thursday when the trade is announced!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

While true, LA to New Hampshire is damned near as far apart as geographically possible while remaining in the US.

True. Although distance =/= travel time depending on airport access , etc. (witness Ortio's travel day).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Please remind me, who just won the Stanley Cup? We're not talking about Columbus here. Even if they so happen to be a single point behind us.

Yeah that seemed to be the case when he re-upped a few years ago, but GlenX's contract is up soon, he's getting older, and he hasn't had contract talks with the Flames recently. What makes you think he wouldn't consider waiving for the defending champs, of all teams? He can't expect his home province team to keep him on as their top left-winger that much longer with even more new talent entering the fold over the next season or two. It's a nice convenience for him, but one he can't expect to last.

This game is a business, and sometimes that doesn't align with someone preferences. I'm sure Glencross knows that fully.

Yes LA won the cup last year but why would Glencross waive to go there right now? Hoping the squeak in and then go on another miraculous run?

Glencross holds ALL the cards. He either picks his destination or stays with the Flames and revisits his options in the summer. Why would he be a rental on a bubble team that has no way of re-signing him. If he is going to be a hired gun why not go to a better team like Anaheim, Pitt, or Tampa?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yes LA won the cup last year but why would Glencross waive to go there right now? Hoping the squeak in and then go on another miraculous run?

Glencross holds ALL the cards. He either picks his destination or stays with the Flames and revisits his options in the summer. Why would he be a rental on a bubble team that has no way of re-signing him. If he is going to be a hired gun why not go to a better team like Anaheim, Pitt, or Tampa?

Well, 2012 was only three years ago. 95 points, all the way to the cup. Lot's of similarities - a predicted favorite that underachieved all year, then put it together at the right time, including 2 mid-season acquisitions (Carter and Sutter).

[CKPThunder]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lots of players have done just that. On the other hand, name more than 3 cases where a player with a NMC caused a problem. Sundin was one, but I can't think of another.

ETA: I don't mean refusal to waive for a specific destination. I mean refusal to agree to ANY trade.

Brad Richards was another one I believe. He wouldn't waive so Dallas lost him for nothing.

Darryl Sittler refused to get traded so the Leafs traded his buddy Lanny to Colorado. I think Sittler finally waived a few years later but he stuck to his guns for a while. I don't know if this counts.

[bluejays]

I have no idea how some of these proposal for Toffoli are being thrown out there. That'd be like us throwing away Gaudreau for a team wiling to take on a long term Stajan (if Stajan were signed to a long term deal). How would LA be able to justify that to their fan base? It simply makes no sense. The Flames would have to make it worth their while. LA's not going to rebuild, so any deal with Richards and Toffoli would likely be for a package like Hudler and Wideman plus a 2nd rounder coming Calgary's way. This way LA retools and makes the push for the playoffs (while also replacing Regehr), while the Flames get an up and comer in Toffoli and a pick. I'd think a deal like that would make a little more sense.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by fleury

I have no idea how some of these proposal for Toffoli are being thrown out there. That'd be like us throwing away Gaudreau for a team wiling to take on a long term Stajan (if Stajan were signed to a long term deal). How would LA be able to justify that to their fan base? It simply makes no sense. The Flames would have to make it worth their while. LA's not going to rebuild, so any deal with Richards and Toffoli would likely be for a package like Hudler and Wideman plus a 2nd rounder coming Calgary's way. This way LA retools and makes the push for the playoffs (while also replacing Regehr), while the Flames get an up and comer in Toffoli and a pick. I'd think a deal like that would make a little more sense.

Friedman is on 960 right now, talking about exactly that.

LA needs to move Richards and his salary. Other teams (possibly including the Flames) are saying "ok, we'll take him off your hands if you include Toffoli or Pearson"

So far, Lombardi won't touch that. But the pressure will continue to mount on him to do something.