Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

fair enough, I'm not talking from a legal standpoint anyway...I am talking from a common sense standpoint

Whether or not I agree with your points, please don't debate on the notion of 'common sense'. Common sense is a phrase that simply means "what I know/believe to be things everyone should know/believe".

[Husky]

Still have a hard time believing its mental illness. Not like the guy wasn't surrounded by friends and family who wouldn't be able to pick up on things. Most serial killers are loners. This guy appears to be social; going to school, parties, etc. I Still think it was targeted at a couple people and the others "got in his way"

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Can you give us an idea what kind of crazy posts he made recently? Weird crazy or violent crazy?

Edit - I found this online at the Sun's website -

He deleted all those posts he made a couple days ago and the one that's reported in the media is the one that he made yesterday night.

Not sure about the intent behind his Megadeth lyrics but I don't think it's too out of the ordinary. He always liked metal music and bands like that since Jr. High so I'm not sure if it relates to the crime.

I don't really remember the posts that he made a couple days ago other than the fact that he made 3 to 4 posts with a huge paragraph each and being annoyed that that's all I saw on my feed. In regards to the content, it was something to do with like questions regarding life. As one of my friends put it, about "sociological issues".

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kelekin

Whether or not I agree with your points, please don't debate on the notion of 'common sense'. Common sense is a phrase that simply means "what I know/believe to be things everyone should know/believe".

please don't tell me how to debate thanks

guy killed 5 people in cold blood...he has mental problems I don't need a lawyer or doctor to tell me that

in the eyes of the law? who knows

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

A journalist alluded to his Megadeth status and noted them "being known for their dark lyrics." Is it fair to go in that direction at all?

No, Megadeth's lyrics are critical of violence and war and far from provocating homicide. Trying to connect an act of violence to Megadeth is rather silly, maybe he interpreted Megadeth as something it was not but if he truly was influenced by it to a significant effect it's just pure mental illness and nearly anything would have set him off if Megadeth did it.

[DownInFlames]

I didn't know any of the victims, but I still feel really awful. I can only imagine how the family and friends feel. My heart goes out to them.

I won't be opening this thread again. The baseless speculation makes me want to smash my keyboard. If you said "I think" in this thread, just shut up, please.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Kelekin

I posted earlier about feeling for the victims but I did not expect in the past hour to confirm one of them to be my friend. The worst part is, I think out of every single person I knew, and that's a lot of people, he was the only person who was permanently a ball of positivity and happiness. He definitely is someone who had no connection to the killer (and I can confirm that it would 100% not be about a girl) so it pretty much seems like he started killing aimlessly.

Terrible day for Calgary and these five people and their families.

Rough man. Sorry to hear.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Kelekin

I posted earlier about feeling for the victims but I did not expect in the past hour to confirm one of them to be my friend. The worst part is, I think out of every single person I knew, and that's a lot of people, he was the only person who was permanently a ball of positivity and happiness. He definitely is someone who had no connection to the killer (and I can confirm that it would 100% not be about a girl) so it pretty much seems like he started killing aimlessly.

Terrible day for Calgary and these five people and their families.

Originally Posted by Kelekin

Whether or not I agree with your points, please don't debate on the notion of 'common sense'. Common sense is a phrase that simply means "what I know/believe to be things everyone should know/believe".

Originally Posted by dino7c

please don't tell me how to debate thanks

guy killed 5 people in cold blood...he has mental problems I don't need a lawyer or doctor to tell me that

What a solid response to the guy who literally just emotionally posted that one of his friends died in this incident. Just excellent, grade A posting, Dino7c. Do you want to call him an A-hole, too?

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by T@T

Why is that? I give my head a shake at todays kids because they seem to need weapons to feel tough, House party scraps have been happening since the term house has been used but stabbings at them are becoming less rare. Back in the day fights were very common but lasted 5 minutes and it was back to partying, hell, I remember people using crazy glue to stop the bleeding on cuts to knuckles

I don't even mind saying it, Kids today are wimps, they don't know what a good scrap is and when they loose they get all sucky and seek a weapon thinking they can actually win that way.

At 43 I beat the piss out of this 22 year old muscle bound punk because he jumped threw my sunroof being an idiot in a parking lot. As the cops were dragging him away his ######ed girlfriend told me I better hide because he's going to cut me up like a rare steak when he gets out.

Just stupid!

When you were 22, people your age said that about you too...

Regarding the incident, I can't believe how the CPS officer of 33 years who's son is the accused is feeling right now. Thoughts and prayers to the families, friends, and officers involved. Chief Hanson said this is the biggest mass murder in the history of Calgary. Terrible news.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

please don't tell me how to debate thanks

guy killed 5 people in cold blood...he has mental problems I don't need a lawyer or doctor to tell me that

in the eyes of the law? who knows

How can you say he has mental problems when you basicly nothing about the killer?

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by dino7c

please don't tell me how to debate thanks

guy killed 5 people in cold blood...he has mental problems I don't need a lawyer or doctor to tell me that

in the eyes of the law? who knows

Ya! Screw science and peer reviewed research on criminal psychology! I don't need evidence based medicine to decide if some guy has mental problems!

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Husky

Still have a hard time believing its mental illness. Not like the guy wasn't surrounded by friends and family who wouldn't be able to pick up on things. Most serial killers are loners. This guy appears to be social; going to school, parties, etc. I Still think it was targeted at a couple people and the others "got in his way"

The thing about mental illness is that it is so incredibly multifaceted and diverse. Sufferers can be completely functional, and it isn't always easy to discern the signs. I know people who have revealed to me their lifelong struggle with recognized symptoms without letting on to others in their inner circle.

Even if the "most serial killers are loners" claim is unsubstantiated, it's hard to classify this case within that category. Obviously far more information is needed to interpret these specific events, but personally I don't think an event such as this, carried out by an individual in these circumstances, can be attributed to serial killer profiling.

His actions ascribe to a certain level of abnormality, as norms dictate that not just anyone goes about brutally stabbing 5 other individuals to death. In that sense, there is an element of "mental" illness at work here, or at least a deviation from what is considered "normal". This isn't to dismiss his actions as simply a product of a damaged mind or larger system as I believe there really isn't an excuse for this kind of behavior. However, there are reasons that can be used to understand what has happened and formulate an appropriate and resounding response.

Strange to think that 6 other individuals who were on the same journey as I will never see the ultimate destination.

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

please don't tell me how to debate thanks

guy killed 5 people in cold blood...he has mental problems I don't need a lawyer or doctor to tell me that

I don't disagree with you, but you also are just an observer like anyone else here and what you believe as fact is only fact for you.

Mental problems? yes. But for how long? How frequent? It really blows my mind that we have such stigmas towards mental illness still. I know counselling was one of the best things I ever did. Most people I know believe in going every couple years just for a check-up. Why would mental health not be as important as physical health? He could've had many things festering, but seemed fine most of the time, and then all that emotion came out at once.

I won't pretend to know, and we may never get answers, but stigmas towards mental health and writing people off as "crazy" or "insane" because people either A) are afraid to get help or B) don't really know how to get help is definitely not a solution. It's just a way to write someone off as an aberration.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Dion

How can you say he has mental problems when you basicly nothing about the killer?

If someone kills 5 people they have mental problems, might be schizophrenia, might be depression, might be pharmaceutical drugs, might be something completely different but such abnormal behavior is surely an indication of psychological illness.

[jayswin]

Geez, even as someone who was slightly involved in the speculation myself, I think this is getting dangerously close to one of CP's standard full blown extreme opposites thread derailments.

I'm not a mod, but due to the severity of the incident and some of the people close to the tragedy posting in this thread, I think we should probably ditch the "mental illness vs no mental illness" debate and keep it more respectful.

[Huntingwhale]

What a terrible event all around. Things like this aren't supposed to happen in this city. I've always taken solace in the fact that Calgary is a friendly, safe type of city that people are proud to live in. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, but also to the family of the suspect. I can't image what the poor officer is going through...

One of my good friends is a Tae Kwon Do teacher and was friends/instructor with the suspect and is in deep shock right now. This is just a terrible terrible event and isn't supposed to happen in this city. I hope everyone holds their loved ones a little closer tonight.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Ya! Screw science and peer reviewed research on criminal psychology! I don't need evidence based medicine to decide if some guy has mental problems!

I have evidence, sadly

[Mr.Coffee]

This is so brutal.

I'm not usually one to care but the ongoing useless little debates in this thread appear more insensitive than normal given the circumstances. I'm not even sure why, maybe because this tragedy is so close to home, but every time I see people saying anything other than condolences or updates as to the investigation or incident, etc., my first reaction is being annoyed and then I think stfu.

Yeah this is a message board but sometimes there is a time for debate club and in this instance to get right into the merits of this or that seems pretty disrespectful especially so soon. Again I'm not even totally sure why. This is such a horrible, terrible event. I can't even imagine how frightening it would have been to witness this.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kelekin

I don't disagree with you, but you also are just an observer like anyone else here and what you believe as fact is only fact for you.

Mental problems? yes. But for how long? How frequent? It really blows my mind that we have such stigmas towards mental illness still. I know counselling was one of the best things I ever did. Most people I know believe in going every couple years just for a check-up. Why would mental health not be as important as physical health? He could've had many things festering, but seemed fine most of the time, and then all that emotion came out at once.

I won't pretend to know, and we may never get answers, but stigmas towards mental health and writing people off as "crazy" or "insane" because people either A) are afraid to get help or B) don't really know how to get help is definitely not a solution. It's just a way to write someone off as an aberration.

My intention wasn't to offend anyone, sorry for all the family and friends involved

[Ozy_Flame]

I suspect that if he was mentally ill, it happened in a short enough time span wherein people wouldn't really suspect he's on a serious downward spiral. People know him as normal, calm and polite, but perhaps just don't see the severity of how much he was being affected. It's hard to catch if people who surround don't see a regular, repeated pattern of symptoms of illness.

If the fight really was over a girl, it's possible it may have been something that festered in his mind for only a couple of weeks, and decided to do something about it. It would be incredibly hard to follow up on that, especially if he was a quiet, introverted guy.

Still no sympathy for him though - I don't think he couldn't control himself, although I do think rage/anger may have come into play.