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Murph · 04-01-2013, 05:51 PM

If the Flames move Kipper and Bouwmeester their cap number next year will be down to $34.7M. CRAZY.

EDIT: That's on currently signed players.

moon · 04-01-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

One other question, how the hell does Domenic Moore get a 2nd round pick every deadline but one of the winningest goalies of the last decade barely warrants a 3rd?

Team needs.

Moore comes in and takes face-offs and kills penalties which is huge for teams in the play-offs. He also usually is a FA so not handcuffing teams for the next season and teams he goes to are play-off teams so pick not that great.

Kiprusoff likely doesn't start for most (any?) team he goes to which makes it hard to give up that much for him.

Table 5 · 04-01-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Then you are delaying the rebuild process by not getting the assets now and working on developing them. Who's to say the market now won't worsen later, when more goalies are available? Time is now for moving him.

Yeah, I guess so, but I just think his value is in the crapper right now to the point where I'm not sure if it can get that much worse. I'm not convinced you can't get more than a 3rd for him at the draft. In terms of the rebuild, I don't think it really matters whether we trade him now or in 2 months.

I don't see Kipper being a must-move-now guy anyway... I think he brings value next year if he stays, whether it's just to mentor Ramo or whoever is playing with him. I don't think a rebuild hinges on a 3rd round pick.

kyuss275 · 04-01-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Kiprusoff is going to bounce back and be a star for a team without the porous defence of the Flames. If all we get is a 2nd or 3rd round pick, we got fleeced. I'm starting to hate reading this site. Pure negativity and pessimism.

Won't disagree that Kipper will probably bounce back. Our D and Forwards play in their own zone is horrible.

The problem of getting anything better than a 2nd is that Kipper probably will only go to 1 team or a team that is going to make him a starter for the rest of the seaon and make the playoffs. I don't think he would sign an extension with the flames. It's the Iggy situation all over again.

BEANZ · 04-01-2013, 05:52 PM

Kipper returns to the Sharks for Clowe?

nik- · 04-01-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Kiprusoff is going to bounce back and be a star for a team without the porous defence of the Flames. If all we get is a 2nd or 3rd round pick, we got fleeced. I'm starting to hate reading this site. Pure negativity and pessimism.

Considering our negativity and pessimism ended up looking like overwhelming homer goggles trade expectations when it came to the Iginla trade ... can you blame anyone?

Pessimism is being fed a handful of HGH from our management, it can't help but grow.

GreenLantern2814 · 04-01-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Team needs.

Moore comes in and takes face-offs and kills penalties which is huge for teams in the play-offs. He also usually is a FA so not handcuffing teams for the next season and teams he goes to are play-off teams so pick not that great.

Kiprusoff likely doesn't start for most (any?) team he goes to which makes it hard to give up that much for him.

He starts for Tampa.

drPepper1 · 04-01-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Traded for a 2nd, sir.

My bad. 2nd or more in return it is

Burn13 · 04-01-2013, 05:54 PM

Tampa second team?

Sorry if the deal is a 3rd for kipper I'd rather keep him and let him retire than help TML franchise again, getting so sick of this crap. 2nd and a decent prospect or bust.

Resolute 14 · 04-01-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

When Dwayne Roloson was traded to the Edmonton Oilers, he had a 3.00 GAA, a .910 save percentage, and was 36 years old.

And Edmonton's general manger was a certified moron. Hasek got a first rounder at 36 as well, but he was also still legitimately a top goaltenter.

The flip-side is JS Giguere for Toskala and Blake.

Saqe · 04-01-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He starts for Tampa.

Starts for Toronto too.

Trolleydodger · 04-01-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BEANZ

Kipper returns to the Sharks for Clowe?

They have the same amount of goals.

GreenLantern2814 · 04-01-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JayP

Bit of a difference between a .910 sv% and the .873 sv% Kipper has this year...

Bit of a difference between the Jacques Lemaire Wild and the fire drill that goes on in our end on a nightly basis.

kyuss275 · 04-01-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Burn13

Tampa second team?

Sorry if the deal is a 3rd for kipper I'd rather keep him and let him retire than help TML franchise again, getting so sick of this crap. 2nd and a decent prospect or bust.

That's stupid. This franchise needs all the picks and prospects it can get.

really? · 04-01-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Kiprusoff is going to bounce back and be a star for a team without the porous defence of the Flames. If all we get is a 2nd or 3rd round pick, we got fleeced. I'm starting to hate reading this site. Pure negativity and pessimism.

Around here reality is all too often viewed as negativity. The problem with rose colored glasses is....... well, they're rose colored.

There's the world the way we wish it was, the way it should be, and the way it is. If you choose to live in either of the first two you can avoid the immediate pain that often comes with accepting a hard truth, but you will eventually become a bitter person.

Management appears to have chosen to see the world as it is.

Muta · 04-01-2013, 05:57 PM

Would love to see the 2nd team revealed as Tampa Bay, and then Feaster rips off Yzerman by getting Connolly straight up.

Fire · 04-01-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin 18s Kiprussof deal between Flames and Leafs would likely be something like a third rounder that goes to a second if Leafs make playoffs.

yuck

Sounds like a fair deal to me. At this point we should feel lucky anyone wants Kipper at this point. You can only blame the team in front for so much. Remember the number of playoff teams wanting a goalie is very low.

If Feaster can steal a 1st from someone then he must be a good talker.

Jake · 04-01-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

There's no rush to replace Kiprusoff. We're not competing for the next 2-3 years or longer anyway.

People keep saying this, but I don't think it is necessarily true.

GreenLantern2814 · 04-01-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And Edmonton's general manger was a certified moron. Hasek got a first rounder at 36 as well, but he was also still legitimately a top goaltenter.

The flip-side is JS Giguere for Toskala and Blake.

That certified moron made all the moves necessary to take his team to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. If Roloson isn't injured game 1, hell if Markannen dresses as the backup instead of Conklin, that team beats Carolina.

And that trade gave the certified moron enough power to still be in charge of the organization despite not making the playoffs since that season.

drPepper1 · 04-01-2013, 06:00 PM

Tsn trade centre time