Beloved character actor Osama bin Laden, star of TV's "Fox News", dies age 54

[CaptainCrunch]

Bin Laden and 9/11 have hung like a spector over America for a decade. People blame it for the end of optimism, and the feeling of vulnerability that American's were truly never prepared for or bought up with. Even during the Cold War when America had thousands of nukes pointed at it, they were still fortress America.

I would think the last time America had that heightened sense of fear pre 9/11 was the Cuban Missile Crisis.

This was an instinctive emotional release.

This was pure joy at seeing a mass murderer heading for the grave.

To a lot of people, this was this generations equivalent to the sailor kissing the nurse in Time Square when WWII ended.

Not everything has to be about sober reflection, but when I watched the news and saw the people outside of the white house, I didn't see a lot of over the top celebrations. I saw happy, relieved people.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Bin Laden and 9/11 have hung like a spector over America for a decade. People blame it for the end of optimism, and the feeling of vulnerability that American's were truly never prepared for or bought up with. Even during the Cold War when America had thousands of nukes pointed at it, they were still fortress America.

I would think the last time America had that heightened sense of fear pre 9/11 was the Cuban Missile Crisis.

This was an instinctive emotional release.

This was pure joy at seeing a mass murderer heading for the grave.

To a lot of people, this was this generations equivalent to the sailor kissing the nurse in Time Square when WWII ended.

Not everything has to be about sober reflection, but when I watched the news and saw the people outside of the white house, I didn't see a lot of over the top celebrations. I saw happy, relieved people.

I don't entirely disagree, when my mother first brought this up, that was the first thing I mentioned.

I can't disagree. I still know where the better path leads.

I don't look down my nose, at all. But this is nothing like Hitler. 6 million Jews, 30-40 million worldwide. The possible notion of the WORLD being taken over. That is a breath of fresh air.

3000 at home, and the soldiers the government committed. Huge difference.

Again, it's not a bad thing for me, I just know where the better path lies. And the fact that those that lost the most reacted differently points to that.

As Europe found out 60 years ago, celebrating war and death, gets tiriing after a while. Eventually you pay too high a cost.

Not to say this wasn't justified, only be balanced.

[Daradon]

My first post said 'I can see why people got caught up in it'. And that's what I meant.

But it was not a thoughtful intelligent reaction. Nor was it caring for those that lost.

So I give them a pass. For sure I do. But it's not the best way.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm fine with not showing the pictures for the reasons Obama stated as it makes sense, and I am also fine with it if this was just a revenge killing. I honestly don't think they needed any further reasons to just end him.

The only thing that makes me wonder is that they saw it fit to try and not disrespect muslims by supposedly adhering to muslim tradition of a quick burial, but what about the other 2 presumably muslim men that were killed? The fact that their pictures were released and their bodies weren't treated the same way makes me wonder about the reasoning a little.

[Madman]

Al-Qaida confirms bin Laden death, vows revenge:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Qa...566/story.html

[HPLovecraft]

Interesting article on dawn.com, a Pakistani news site:

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/05/grab-...-of-power.html

And this is just strange:

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/05/dead-...d-the-sea.html

My girlfriend is Pakistani who moved here when she was young -- she has a lot of family in Pakistan, and visits every once in awhile, although hasn't been there the last few years. The overwhelming feeling I have been getting is that the Pakistani people are embarrassed. Embarrassed over this being yet another embarrassing incident in a long string of embarrassing incidents.

[Bigtime]

So is this confirmation enough for the conspiracy theorists?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

So is this confirmation enough for the conspiracy theorists?

I would hope so, if you can't trust Al Qaeda, who can you trust.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm fine with not showing the pictures for the reasons Obama stated as it makes sense, and I am also fine with it if this was just a revenge killing. I honestly don't think they needed any further reasons to just end him.

The only thing that makes me wonder is that they saw it fit to try and not disrespect muslims by supposedly adhering to muslim tradition of a quick burial, but what about the other 2 presumably muslim men that were killed? The fact that their pictures were released and their bodies weren't treated the same way makes me wonder about the reasoning a little.

Well, the other men were found during the day by Pakistani security forces, so their burials were likely handled by them. Osama was the target, so he was taken by the Americans, and his burial was handled by them.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

No, but if the west claims to value human rights and judiciary process, why not capture him and bring back for trial and then execute him after his conviction.


Like Eichmann.

What a complete waste of time and money that would be. He admitted his guilt many times, for many attacks against the US and other countries.
I, for one, agree with the policy of eliminating people like this, however possible. Bullet to the head, grenade through the window, I don't care. If you go on record taking credit for the murder of thousands of people, be advised that the US and other countries will continue to hunt for you until you're dead.

Trials are for people that might not be guilty.

[Cowperson]

"Deathers take over from Birthers" - Headline.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/...ers/index.html

Cowperson

[JBR]

Originally Posted by 4X4

What a complete waste of time and money that would be. He admitted his guilt many times, for many attacks against the US and other countries.
I, for one, agree with the policy of eliminating people like this, however possible. Bullet to the head, grenade through the window, I don't care. If you go on record taking credit for the murder of thousands of people, be advised that the US and other countries will continue to hunt for you until you're dead.

Trials are for people that might not be guilty.

Agreed. His trial began on September 11, 2011. Seal Team 6 only carried out the execution.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

The difference is one group was celebrating the deaths of 3000 innocent people and the others celebrating the death of the person responsible. What is wrong with people being happy about the demise of a person that has continually threatened to try to kill them and has done so in the past. They can now sleep a little easier at night with that threat eliminated. Did we have a moment of silence for Hitler?

Actually they weren't celebrating 9/11. The video was from some mideast wedding celebration that our news put on TV, to get us ready for war. Now do you feel manipulated?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

"Deathers take over from Birthers" - Headline.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/...ers/index.html

Cowperson

Wow, the US is really bored and desperate...

What is the 'Double Down' not a big enough sandwich for them? Kick it up!

Don't these people have jobs?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Actually they weren't celebrating 9/11. The video was from some mideast wedding celebration that our news put on TV, to get us ready for war. Now do you feel manipulated?

This was from a wedding? Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3r...layer_embedded

[corporatejay]

I understand why people wanted to celebrate, but Obama's quote was perfect, "there's no need to spike the football".

[FlamesAddiction]

Personally, I think a bullet to the head is too humane. I hope there really is a conspiracy and that he is actually in a prison somewhere getting pig roasted by skinheads.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

"Deathers take over from Birthers" - Headline.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/...ers/index.html

Cowperson

I wouldn't take anything CNN says too seriously. They were just trying to take a shot at Fox which seems to be something they do more often than reporting news.

Judge Napolitano is new to Fox news. He came over from Fox radio where he had a successful talk show in the morning. He is noted for thinking out of the box and asking lots questions. I think he will be a refreshing addition to their station. He doesn't march in lock step with Republican party position and is a pretty good debater. I doubt that he really believes
that Osama is still alive and probably was just asking his guest what they thought about the question. I can see CNN seeing him asking the question as enough to label him. He never believed that Obama was born out of country.

I'm personally more concerned with folks dumping on anybody who dares have a question. That isn't healthy for our society. Sure people can take things too far but, that is better than blind trust. Both Canada and the USA have governments who are generally trustworthy but, that doesn't mean we shouldn't ask questions.

According to the article only 3% of the population still believe that Obama was born out of country. That's a drop of what 30% after Obama produced the long form birth certificate. There's proof right there that people will change their opinion if given enough facts.

I don't know how many people have questions about Osama's death but, I bet it is a lot smaller than those who questioned Obama's birth place. Al-Qaida has confirmed Osama's death today. That should shrink those who doubt his death even more.

There are no stupid questions; only stupid answers.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I wouldn't take anything CNN says too seriously. They were just trying to take a shot at Fox which seems to be something they do more often than reporting news.

Judge Napolitano is new to Fox news. He came over from Fox radio where he had a successful talk show in the morning. He is noted for thinking out of the box and asking lots questions. I think he will be a refreshing addition to their station. He doesn't march in lock step with Republican party position and is a pretty good debater. I doubt that he really believes
that Osama is still alive and probably was just asking his guest what they thought about the question. I can see CNN seeing him asking the question as enough to label him. He never believed that Obama was born out of country.

I'm personally more concerned with folks dumping on anybody who dares have a question. That isn't healthy for our society. Sure people can take things too far but, that is better than blind trust. Both Canada and the USA have governments who are generally trustworthy but, that doesn't mean we shouldn't ask questions.

According to the article only 3% of the population still believe that Obama was born out of country. That's a drop of what 30% after Obama produced the long form birth certificate. There's proof right there that people will change their opinion if given enough facts.

I don't know how many people have questions about Osama's death but, I bet it is a lot smaller than those who questioned Obama's birth place. Al-Qaida has confirmed Osama's death today. That should shrink those who doubt his death even more.

There are no stupid questions; only stupid answers.

Ok, are you born of the unwed union of a troglodyte and a mother with at least 60 intelligence?

It pertains to this discussion.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This was from a wedding? Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3r...layer_embedded

Than there's this video

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2j...ns-an-isr_news

The video you linked could have been from any time and I've heard both sides stated on major TV broadcasts.

I put this on about the same level as this about the Kuwait invasion.

Nayirah testified in front of the United States Congress that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die.

She was lying and her testimony was a fake but Nayirah's testimony was widely publicized.[1] Hill & Knowlton, which had filmed the hearing, sent out a video news release to Medialink, a firm which served about 700 television stations in the United States.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29