Beloved character actor Osama bin Laden, star of TV's "Fox News", dies age 54

[tjinaz]

America looked exactly the same the other night, only difference, they didn't have the guns, or the animal mating call. I was embarrassed for America... big time. Sunday night I again said to myself ,"These are not humans, they are some sort of crazed animals, and half of them don't even know what they are cheering about." Act like you've been there.

The difference is one group was celebrating the deaths of 3000 innocent people and the others celebrating the death of the person responsible. What is wrong with people being happy about the demise of a person that has continually threatened to try to kill them and has done so in the past. They can now sleep a little easier at night with that threat eliminated. Did we have a moment of silence for Hitler?

[Frequitude]

Conspiracy theories are such a double edge sword. They're fun to discuss and muse about...until you run into someone who actually believes in them.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by pylon

America looked exactly the same the other night, only difference, they didn't have the guns, or the animal mating call. I was embarrassed for America... big time. Sunday night I again said to myself ,"These are not humans, they are some sort of crazed animals, and half of them don't even know what they are cheering about." Act like you've been there.

You've got to be kidding right? You're embarrassed for them because citizens displayed some sort of emotion after years of pent up sorrow and frustration from the WTC attack were finally let out with Osama being killed.

The country has been pursuing this terrorist for a decade and the people who were celebrating were for the most part over 20 and had lived through the attacks on the world trade center first hand. The ones who were at ground zero likely all lost friends and family there.

Don't sit there on your high horse and pretend that they don't know why they are cheering. Anyone who was older then 10 years old at that time will have that event ingrained in their minds forever.

What would be a proper display in your mind, sipping tea and turning on a rerun of little mosque on the prairie?

[Azure]

Yeah, I absolutely get the emotional outburst. I think Americans were looking for something good to celebrate about.

Goes without saying that they've all been through a tough time the past few years. I say good on them for getting out there and showing their support or whatever you want to call it.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by flamesaresmokin

You've got to be kidding right? You're embarrassed for them because citizens displayed some sort of emotion after years of pent up sorrow and frustration from the WTC attack were finally let out with Osama being killed.

The country has been pursuing this terrorist for a decade and the people who were celebrating were for the most part over 20 and had lived through the attacks on the world trade center first hand. The ones who were at ground zero likely all lost friends and family there.

Don't sit there on your high horse and pretend that they don't know why they are cheering. Anyone who was older then 10 years old at that time will have that event ingrained in their minds forever.

What would be a proper display in your mind, sipping tea and turning on a rerun of little mosque on the prairie?

Firstly, half of those people were a bunch of college d-bags looking for an excuse to be part of something. Most of them were still probably 7 or 8 years old when 9/11 went down.

Secondly, the correct reaction, in my eyes, is go on as usual. By celebrating like a bunch of rabid animals, just confirms how much he actually hurt, and how much of an impact he actually had. It shows that the terrorist did win. I doubt, that the families that were truly impacted by this, were the ones scaling trees in front of the white house, and shotguning beers in Times Square.

However I am sure a bunch of them will change their facebook picture, to show their support to Obama.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by pylon

Firstly, half of those people were a bunch of college d-bags looking for an excuse to be part of something. Most of them were still probably 7 or 8 years old when 9/11 went down.

Secondly, the correct reaction, in my eyes, is go on as usual. By celebrating like a bunch of rabid animals, just confirms how much he actually hurt, and how much of an impact he actually had. It shows that the terrorist did win. I doubt, that the families that were truly impacted by this, were the ones scaling trees in front of the white house, and shotguning beers in Times Square.

However I am sure a bunch of them will change their facebook picture, to show their support to Obama.

I'm not sure why someone who wants to celebrate the end of a murderous terrorist is a college d-bag. What does that even mean anyway? Anyone who attends post secondary and wants to take part in a rally is a loser in your eyes?

Most people I saw out there on tv were not shotgunning beers in times square. They were 20-30 who had very emotional and heartfelt things to say about the whole situation and wanted to go out and be happy that there is some degree of closure and justification to the whole event now. If it was your city that had been torn apart by this guys you can bet a ton of people would be out there peacefully letting off some steam.

The fact you claim times square was the major place of celebration gives me a pretty clear indication that you didn't even watch more then a few seconds of clips on the evening news anyway. If you're basing your assumption on something fox news shows you really need to start widening your window to the world.

[Cowperson]

Celebrating Osamas death means you're a normal human being say social scientists.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=785217&f=19

Cowperson

[MrMastodonFarm]

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/...121361629.html

U.S. officials say an initial review of documents seized from Osama bin Laden's compound shows al-Qaida considered carrying out a terrorist plot against the United States on the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

A Homeland Security Department document obtained Thursday by U.S. news organizations says al-Qaida considered an operation against trains at an unspecified location in the United States.

The document says al-Qaida thought about tampering with rail tracks so a train would fall off the tracks in a valley or over bridge.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by pylon

I remember watching the 9/11 events unfold, and then them showing a shot of a bunch of Middle Eastern people in the streets jumping around like animals, shooting machine guns in the air, cheering, and doing their animal cry yiyiyiyiyiyi thing. They are, and looked like blood thirsty baboons that got into an unlocked cache of weapons. I said to myself ,"These are not humans, they are some sort of crazed animals, and half of them don't even know what they are cheering about."

America looked exactly the same the other night, only difference, they didn't have the guns, or the animal mating call. I was embarrassed for America... big time. Sunday night I again said to myself ,"These are not humans, they are some sort of crazed animals, and half of them don't even know what they are cheering about." Act like you've been there.

I quoted your entire post, just because I find it so incomprehensible.

So let me get this straight, you equate the cheering when the Twin Towers fell, to the celebrations when Bin Laden was killed? The people cheering when the World Trade Center towers collapsed were cheering as thousand of people died, innocent people that were victumized by a madman. The people cheering the death of Bin Laden were celebrating the death of one man, the same madman that inflicted not only devastating human casualties, but massive financial loss, both in the structures and surrounding areas, and subsequently the financial markets as well.

You are so far off in your comparison, it's staggering.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by zamler

I quoted your entire post, just because I find it so incomprehensible.

So let me get this straight, you equate the cheering when the Twin Towers fell, to the celebrations when Bin Laden was killed? The people cheering when the World Trade Center towers collapsed were cheering as thousand of people died, innocent people that were victumized by a madman. The people cheering the death of Bin Laden were celebrating the death of one man, the same madman that inflicted not only devastating human casualties, but massive financial loss, both in the structures and surrounding areas, and subsequently the financial markets as well.

You are so far off in your comparison, it's staggering.

The comparison is different, but not entirely unfair.

Let me be clear on my position on this before I get jumped on. I don't look down my nose at those celebrating and partying. I don't think it is a terribly bad thing. I understand why some would find it necessary and why some would get caught up in it.

But I also do not believe it is the right thing to do. It doesn't honor the memory of those Bin Laden did kill. It cheapens the whole thing. It's not about celebrating his death, its about remembering what it all meant. And it's still a horrible situation.

The funny thing is, it appears most of those partying were those who didn't lose too much, in fact some of them were just looking for a place to revel and get drunk. Those that lost the most seem to be the first ones to speak out against it.

As the one woman said, why cheapen the hallowed ground of Ground Zero with spilled champagne and beer?

[zamler]

I can understand why some people would celebrate Bin Laden's death, and I don't look down on them for doing it. I personally would probably never act like that though, but that is more of a personality trait perhaps I don't know.

But I stand by what I said, it cannot in any way, shape or form be compared to the celebration we saw as the towers fell. It is worlds apart in so many ways.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by zamler

I can understand why some people would celebrate Bin Laden's death, and I don't look down on them for doing it. I personally would probably never act like that though, but that is more of a personality trait perhaps I don't know.

But I stand by what I said, it cannot in any way, shape or form be compared to the celebration we saw as the towers fell. It is worlds apart in so many ways.

Agreed, as I already posted. It is very different. The numbers, and the fact that there were innocents involved. Bin Laden brought this fight and got what he deserved. Like any dictator or terrorist.

EDIT: However, the whole innocents situation, is why people end up speaking against the Iraq and Afghan wars. Where does the line end? Who is truly innocent? So much grey.

Not to start that, just saying as a comparison, it's always a bad thing to celebrate war and death and one issue invariably brings up others.

[Montana Moe]

As I watched the celebrations on Sunday night, the first thing I thought of was the images from 9/11 of the people in the Middle East celebrating in the streets. I remembered how I went to the Marine recruiter within the week and looked into re-enlisting.

I wondered how many people in the Middle East who are sympathetic to Al-Qaeda would do the same.

Was that an accurate comparison? I don't know. It was just the initial thought that went through my mind when watching those images.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

As I watched the celebrations on Sunday night, the first thing I thought of was the images from 9/11 of the people in the Middle East celebrating in the streets. I remembered how I went to the Marine recruiter within the week and looked into re-enlisting.

I wondered how many people in the Middle East who are sympathetic to Al-Qaeda would do the same.

Was that an accurate comparison? I don't know. It was just the initial thought that went through my mind when watching those images.

People will say it's a different comparison because they don't want to liken themselves to terrorists or terrorism.

The fact is; it is the same. You're celebrating the demise of a symbol, despite the human deathtoll. Be it 3000 people in the World Trade Centres, or 1 man in his "mansion."

What they were celebrating is the toppling of a global empire. What you're celebrating is the end to an extremist figurehead.

Go ahead, party in the streets, just like they did. You're all singing the same tune, just with different lyrics.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Yasa

Go ahead, party in the streets, just like they did. You're all singing the same tune, just with different lyrics.

If all you do is cling to an ideology, then you might believe it is the same thing.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by zamler

If all you do is cling to an ideology, then you might believe it is the same thing.

I might be just being shallow, and am not trying to undermine your post; but what do you mean by that?

[asifka]

Lots of muslims are actually pretty excited Bin laden is gone. His presence hurted muslims more then USA.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by asifka

Lots of muslims are actually pretty excited Bin laden is gone. His presence hurted muslims more then USA.

Agreed.

I wish the moderate muslim would speak out more against the extremist. This would help their cause more, and their religion.

To a lesser extent, it's the same thing moderate Christians have to do in the face of the wacky religious right in the States.

Unfortunately, (and it's not the medias fault, it's human nature) the loudest voice gets attention.

[CaptainCrunch]

I can understand why people celebrated his death.

Not only did he murder 3000 people. But the last 10 years he's been the boogey man, he's cast a shadow of threat over the world since 9/11. He was the face of modern terrorism.

I doubt that anyone remembers the Palestines handing out Candy and Dancing in the streets after the twin towers, I didn't even remember it until I read this thread.

But to them, because of America's support of Israel, even though American's weren't directly killing palestinians they view the United States as their own version of Bin Laden.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I can understand why people celebrated his death.

Not only did he murder 3000 people. But the last 10 years he's been the boogey man, he's cast a shadow of threat over the world since 9/11. He was the face of modern terrorism.

I doubt that anyone remembers the Palestines handing out Candy and Dancing in the streets after the twin towers, I didn't even remember it until I read this thread.

But to them, because of America's support of Israel, even though American's weren't directly killing palestinians they view the United States as their own version of Bin Laden.

I understand it, and don't condone it. As I mentioned. But it's still not the best way to express emotion. it's not about him, it's about the situation.

As the little kid in school (who lost his father) said, (para) 'Bin laden is dead and everyone is happy. But I don't feel happy.' He was excused from school.

And from a human standpoint, we don't want to slip down the slope to the terrorists. No matter how small.

Justice was done.

Those carrying on to excess need to understand, they are making light of a situation of which many still carry on their backs. It should be a time for solemn reflection, and continued help to those affected.