Beloved character actor Osama bin Laden, star of TV's "Fox News", dies age 54

[metallicat]

If he's reacting this way, imagine what he would be saying is Bush was President and things went identical to the way they did.

That is actually an amusing part of this. If some of the timelines are to be believed, this plan was put into motion back when Bush was President. I'm talking about the stuff regarding the identification and tracking of the courier.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

99.9999% chance Osama is dead right now.

Why?

If he wasn't he would be rushing as fast as humanly possible to make a video calling out Obama as a liar and instantly crush his credibility. Far too much for the US to lose if this wasn't the case.

Exactly. Conspiracy about hiding his death for a while, fine, knock yourselves out. But conspiracy about the US not actually killing him is ######ed.

[Schultzie]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Wow - the Pakistanis made a deal with the US to keep Osama under house arrest and prevent him from planning further terrorist attacks. But failed to uphold their end of the deal, so when he started plotting again, the US swooped in and killed him. This is predicated on the notion that a person as rich as Osama wouldn't want to live in a cave. And the notion the US was keeping him alive so it continued to justify military expenditures.

I can't wait to see Michael's next documentary... and I'm a guy who 3 minutes ago liked Michael Moore.

Do you really think this (or at least the US pretending that Bin Laden was still alive) is that far-fetched?

[MelBridgeman]

We don't need any more people killed because of this man. IF you chose to keep the memory of Bin Laden alive by claiming he is not dead, you're a fool, plain and simple.

[HotHotHeat]

The crazies sure have flocked to this thread.

[IliketoPuck]

Only the same old crowd.

[Da_Chief]

I dunno if this is a fata but a powerful little read.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kriste..._b_856535.html

Echoing Mendenhall's tweets.

[getbak]

If they killed bin Laden some time in the past, why didn't they pull off this little stunt before Bush left office? Why would he leave it for Obama to get all the glory?

Oh crap, it's the Illuminati, isn't it? Partisan politics is all a big sham. Trump was getting too close to the truth, so they had to announce this to divert the world's attention.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I dunno if this is a fata but a powerful little read.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kriste..._b_856535.html

Echoing Mendenhall's tweets.

But more than anything, I cannot seem to remove the optics of the giddy, gleeful throngs of Americans who took to the streets celebrating in the early morning hours.

Forgive me, but I don't want to watch uncorked champagne spill onto hallowed ground where thousands were murdered in cold blood.

And I don't want to see any ugly blood stained sheets as proof of death or justice.

Nor do I want to think about bullet-ridden corpses being dumped into the sea.

And it breaks my heart to witness young Americans cheer any death -- even the death of a horrible, evil, murderous person -- like it is some raucous tailgate party on a college campus.

Why are we not somber?

Where is the deeper, more meaningful reflection?

This is why Obama's speech was so good. He gave out the facts with no bull emotional pulls. There was no attempt to make political gain. There were no ulterior motives. There was no gloating. It was just a statement of fact.

This is why I have no doubt that Osama is dead while I didn't buy Bush's WMD agenda. Sure it's good to be skeptical of the government but use some discernment when doing so.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I dunno if this is a fata but a powerful little read.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kriste..._b_856535.html

Echoing Mendenhall's tweets.

I totally get where that woman is coming from but I disagree with her on about the fact that she thinks we can't celebrate just because she isn't.

She implies that celebrating Osama's death somehow means we are overlooking all the terrible things that have happened since 9/11. Not true at all. That's why this is such a celebration. It is the one bright spot in 10 years of crap.

Celebrating Osama's death doesn't make a person an idiot or insensitive or unaware of the last 10 years of war, tyranny and abuse of power by the government.

It just means they are happy that one of the all time POS people is dead. Once again though, I can see why she isn't celebrating.

[valo403]

I think everyone has different reactions to things, I can see how some people would see this as a joyous occasion and others as a somber one. I was pumped up for a second, largely out of the fact that I immediately started daydreaming that I was a bad ass SEAL, but I laso had a pretty strong feeling of uneasiness living in NYC. It sort of brought the immediacy of 9/11 back, and opened up thoughts of what the retaliation might be. There's no right way to react as long as you're being honest about it IMO.

[flamesaresmokin]

I'm begining to think that the sole reason they won't release the photo of Osama is because he was shot in the back of the head not the face....on his knees as opposed to lunging for a weapon as they previously indicated. This would result in a pretty nasty exit wound in the area of his face and make the US look very bad for not bringing him in for a western trial when they had him subdued and easily transportable.

Of course this is just my thought...i'd love to be proven otherwise. Either way the scum bag Osama is definitely dead. Too much at stake for Obama to lie about this and be proven wrong.

[metallicat]

I really don't care how they shot him. He could've been waving a white handkerchief and I would be fine with the shot that took him out. We're not talking about some innocent civilian.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I really don't care how they shot him. He could've been waving a white handkerchief and I would be fine with the shot that took him out. We're not talking about some innocent civilian.

Which is why in my opinion it would have been more effective to bring him in, put him on trial, western style (which would have to drive him absolutely insane) and then do away with him like they did with Saddam, for the entire world to see.

That would have sent a much clearer message to terrorists then offing someone in the dark. Too many people died at this fanatics hands to just brush it away under the rug.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I really don't care how they shot him. He could've been waving a white handkerchief and I would be fine with the shot that took him out. We're not talking about some innocent civilian.

No, but if the west claims to value human rights and judiciary process, why not capture him and bring back for trial and then execute him after his conviction.


Like Eichmann.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

No, but if the west claims to value human rights and judiciary process, why not capture him and bring back for trial and then execute him after his conviction.


Like Eichmann.

That scenario is great, but I find it hard to believe he would have put up his hands and surrendered.

[tjinaz]

Which is why in my opinion it would have been sweeter to bring him in, put him on trial, western style (which would have to drive him absolutely insane) and then do away with him saddam style. Publicly 05-05-2011 04:25 PM

For once I actually agree with Obama on this one. Better the double tap than the trial. Once captured then who has jurisdiction? The US, some international court, what? Then this all becomes completely politicized. You would get people coming out of the woodwork with arguments trying to describe the line between terrorist and freedom fighter etc. The whole Muslim world would be up in arms and Osama would have the bully pulpit of his dreams. Even if the trial was fair the perception to the third world would be that is was a show trial with only one possible outcome. It would only increase the perception of Osama the martyr and would only end badly.

The irony of all this is if this would have happened under Bush all the democrats would be asking for all these things. Since it happened with Obama as President they are silent. The silence of the left is deafening. All the promises about closing Gitmo and condemning awful enhanced interrogation techniques that got the intelligence that led to this is a bitter pill and shows the naivete of Obama the candidate.

[Cowperson]

An interesting analysis of "What The Situation Room Photo Reveals About A New America."

A Black Man Becomes America's Protector In Chief
Women At The Centre of Power

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/05/ico...ex.html?hpt=C1

Cowperson

[valo403]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

For once I actually agree with Obama on this one. Better the double tap than the trial. Once captured then who has jurisdiction? The US, some international court, what? Then this all becomes completely politicized. You would get people coming out of the woodwork with arguments trying to describe the line between terrorist and freedom fighter etc. The whole Muslim world would be up in arms and Osama would have the bully pulpit of his dreams. Even if the trial was fair the perception to the third world would be that is was a show trial with only one possible outcome. It would only increase the perception of Osama the martyr and would only end badly.

The irony of all this is if this would have happened under Bush all the democrats would be asking for all these things. Since it happened with Obama as President they are silent. The silence of the left is deafening. All the promises about closing Gitmo and condemning awful enhanced interrogation techniques that got the intelligence that led to this is a bitter pill and shows the naivete of Obama the candidate.

That is garbage

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I totally get where that woman is coming from but I disagree with her on about the fact that she thinks we can't celebrate just because she isn't.

She implies that celebrating Osama's death somehow means we are overlooking all the terrible things that have happened since 9/11. Not true at all. That's why this is such a celebration. It is the one bright spot in 10 years of crap.

Celebrating Osama's death doesn't make a person an idiot or insensitive or unaware of the last 10 years of war, tyranny and abuse of power by the government.

It just means they are happy that one of the all time POS people is dead. Once again though, I can see why she isn't celebrating.

I remember watching the 9/11 events unfold, and then them showing a shot of a bunch of Middle Eastern people in the streets jumping around like animals, shooting machine guns in the air, cheering, and doing their animal cry yiyiyiyiyiyi thing. They are, and looked like blood thirsty baboons that got into an unlocked cache of weapons. I said to myself ,"These are not humans, they are some sort of crazed animals, and half of them don't even know what they are cheering about."

America looked exactly the same the other night, only difference, they didn't have the guns, or the animal mating call. I was embarrassed for America... big time. Sunday night I again said to myself ,"These are not humans, they are some sort of crazed animals, and half of them don't even know what they are cheering about." Act like you've been there.