[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[gpflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am still looking at this as Erixon having even less class than Lindros did.

At least Lindros told the Nerds that he did not want to go there, don't draft me. After he was drafted, he said "I will not go there, trade me."

In 2 years, Erixon didn't appear to mention anything. "Upset" or not at the draft, he showed up to all the Flames' requirements, met with Flames' officials (scouts, conditioning coach I believe, etc) in Sweden.. in a few interviews, stated how he was looking forward to coming here.

At the last hour, he (or his agent + dad) that he can just turn around and say "Trade me to NYR ONLY or I will re-enter the draft."

Seriously.. At least Lindros - and at the time it was a stench of a move that has lasted to this day - gave the Nords time to assemble trade proposals, and did not select his ONLY team.

I was really looking forward to seeing Erixon this year. I was betting he would make it, and slide into a 4th position, and allow some room to be made in terms of salary because of it - if not at the beginning of the season, then towards the deadline.

You can not possibly rule out collusion here with NYR. There is no way that any draftee should select where he wants to play. If you think you have the right to select where you want to play, stay in Sweden. How many teams would fold if the entire draft class could hand pick the teams they go to? Colombus, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota, Florida, Carolina, etc., would never get better, and would eventually fold. Pittsburgh would never had Crosby, Malkin, Staal, etc., and won the cup. Washington would still be a terrible team.

This whole thing really stinks. It stinks more than Lindros and every other player that didn't want to sign with the team. This is a player that pulled the rug underneath the feet of a franchise, and flipped the bird to a century old organization's system of fairly distributing new players in order to facilitate a stronger league over-all.

The CBA need to address this. Why won't the next 20 draft picks do this? Why did Taylor Hall - a Calgary fan - proudly stand up and walk over to Tambo and play his heart out for the 'enemy'? Why did Iggy do the same here in Calgary? Because it is the right thing to do. It was the honorable thing to do. No draftee should dictate where he wants to get to play.

The reason Taylor Hall walked over and put on the blue sweater is because he wanted to play in the NHL now and pickup the big cheque that comes with it. I am not 100% sure but I think players need to wait 2 years before re-entering the draft. If Erixson would have been a sure fire NHLer his first year I have now doubt that he would have been signed right off and he would have suited up for Calgary and waited until he became an RFA before trying to pull a move like this. The fact is this was a crappy situation. Erixson was not good enought to play right out of the draft like Crosby, Stamkos or Hall so Calgary did not want to throw millions of dollars at him and burn up his ELC. It took 2 years for Erixson to get "NHL ready" and now conviently he has a choice to sign or re-enter the draft. Calgary managment took a low risk as do most teams to wait and sign their prospects but Erixsons huge strides in development coupled with his attitude about playing outside of New York burn the club. Its happened before, it will happen again. It just sucks. I guess we just need to either suck bad to get a sure fire prospect or draft crappier players.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Some of you guys are in full denial mode. The whole world sees it except for a handful of posters here.

The Flames have a bad reputation among young players whether you guys deny it or not. When you go out and sign or trade for bums like Staios, Stajan, Byron Ritchie, and Slowdin you really aren't earning a good reputation among your young players in Abbotsford waiting for their chance.

Hopefully Feaster can do away with the reputation which is real. And that reputation is pretty well earned.

1. Our prospects suck (they don't really deserve a chance)
2. Our prospects are not getting a chance (but they deserve it)

Which is it? I see these as being mutually exclusive.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Brodie just was not ready for the NHL last season plain and simple. Now i fully agree that Pelech had a bad camp, but Staios had just as bad as camp as Pelech. People forget that Staios was just awfull to start the season, when called upon in the second half he did play well. Basically what i am saying is that Pelech and Staios were equally bad at camp, they could put Pelech down in the minors for cheap, while Staios would have cost them money.

Agree with what you said. Pelech did not take advantage of the situation of a bad Staios training camp to get him into the NHL.

Brodie at that time was just not ready.

So when you sit down to make the decision (Brent and Darryl) as the Flames did you keep the veteran because you know eventually the veteran will figure it out as Staios eventually did and move the 2 way contract down because you still don't know is it Pelech's injury or is it foot speed? Now had Pelech proved he was ready for the NHL and made Staios expendable or any veteran for that matter, I believe he would be on the Flames roster. He hasn't proven that he can be here fulltime, and I hypothesize the reason why we acquired Mikkelson and Carson.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Nope, pretty sure the years don't start ticking off an ELC til the player starts playing North American pro

Cap geek has Rundblad as a RFA in 2013-14 link

and Erixon as a RFA in 2014-15 link

Erixon makes an exta 500k over the next 2 years... Rundblad would be the early favourite for the Calder.

[sureLoss]

Runblad might have a european assignment clause where he gets assigned to a european league instead of the AHL.

Believe those still count as a year towards an NHL contract

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by FAN

I'm not blaming Feaster and I'm not blaming Sutter. Feaster likely took the best offer he got. But this doesn't change the fact that allowing Erixon to pretty much dictate the terms sets a bad precedent. This is an embarassing day for the Flames having allowed Erixon to pull #### like that.

Here, found your problem. It's in the use of the word "allowing". That's where you're missing the point. I don't think the Flames "allowed" this to happen, it was pretty much out of their control.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Runblad might have a european assignment clause where he gets assigned to a european league instead of the AHL.

Believe those still count as a year towards an NHL contract

They do, and Feaster offered one to Erixon as well.

bah, it's all just very disappointing. Those blaming the Flames I think are off-base and just trying to put a face to a crappy situation. A good portion of my excitement for next season just walked away

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

Agree with what you said. Pelech did not take advantage of the situation of a bad Staios training camp to get him into the NHL.

Brodie at that time was just not ready.

So when you sit down to make the decision (Brent and Darryl) as the Flames did you keep the veteran because you know eventually the veteran will figure it out as Staios eventually did and move the 2 way contract down because you still don't know is it Pelech's injury or is it foot speed? Now had Pelech proved he was ready for the NHL and made Staios expendable or any veteran for that matter, I believe he would be on the Flames roster. He hasn't proven that he can be here fulltime, and I hypothesize the reason why we acquired Mikkelson and Carson.

You keep Staios because you are paying him $2,700,000 no matter what.


Pelech looked NHL ready when he was given his 5 game chance at the end of 2009.


You can't really evaluate without at least a 10 game opportunity.


If in the 10 games opportunity that Pelech might have been given had he got into a couple fights and held his own in the Heavy weight division he would be looking at a 100 plus game NHL career a la Rick Rypien.


I know that he clear waivers but that happens early in the season when other teams are still hopeful for the guys they had in camp.

[North East Goon]

It's like Feaster said, this was a perfect storm for a player,agent,family to be able to dictate where he was going. They took advantage of this opportunity to go to a franchise which all felt would be better suited for there self,client,son. Time to move on and be happy Sather didnt decide to play even harder ball against us.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Having Staios getting paid 2.7M and then picking up Mikkleson and then Carson kept Pelech and Brodie from getting 10 game NHL tryouts.


HOWEVER Brett Sutter had a far better NHL look in Calgary than in Carolina. Does Carolina have a worse reputation for bringing along young players?


Hint They had 11 guys 26 and under on their roster .... The Flames had 3

of course out of their 11 guys Brandon Sutter, Skinner, Tlusty, Staal are playing for any team in the NHL..... They still gave 7 guys NHL looks ahead of the "elite" young player the Flames had.

wait are you using Mikkelson and Carson examples of the Flames not giving young players a chance? you do know they are only 23 and 25 right?

and how on earth did they stop Pelech and Brodie from getting 10 game tryouts?... 10 game tryouts are for junior players... Pelech was a 4th year pro (and the same age as Mikkelson for the record) and Brodie a 1st year pro who was ineffective at best in his 3 games... we knew Brodie couldn't play defense, but then he only mustered 1 shot when averaging more than 3 minutes of PP time per game... and lets be honest his shot is why he made the team

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You keep Staios because you are paying him $2,700,000 no matter what.


Pelech looked NHL ready when he was given his 5 game chance at the end of 2009.


You can't really evaluate without at least a 10 game opportunity.


If in the 10 games opportunity that Pelech might have been given had he got into a couple fights and held his own in the Heavy weight division he would be looking at a 100 plus game NHL career a la Rick Rypien.


I know that he clear waivers but that happens early in the season when other teams are still hopeful for the guys they had in camp.

I thought Pelech would make the team actually from camp. I darn near had him penciled in as a number 5. Fact of the matter is he was not good enough though to make the team from camp. Was it the injury, possible. Since that time Feaster has come out and said Pelech is not NHL ready. This is on Pelech not on Feaster, for Pelech to change the Flames organization's mind.

[blankall]

Way too much speculation in this thread about Erixon's reasons for leaving. They were much simpler than everyone is putting on. His dad played for the Rangers and he is a Rangers fan.

Quite frankly, I think he would have gotten a much better chance in Calgary than with the NYR. We definitely have the space for him to play right now. Only 4 defencmen signed and Sarich's contract is up next year. The Rangers on the other hand, have a lot better defensive prospects than we do, and their defence is younger in general. Quite frankly I hope that Erixon gets buried in the NYR system and has fun as a carreer NHLer until he decides to take his ball and go home. !@##@ him.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

I thought Pelech would make the team actually from camp. I darn near had him penciled in as a number 5. Fact of the matter is he was not good enough though to make the team from camp. Was it the injury, possible. Since that time Feaster has come out and said Pelech is not NHL ready. This is on Pelech not on Feaster, for Pelech to change the Flames organization's mind.

In addition, Playfair has said that Breen is more NHL ready than Pelech, and Brodie is second in NHL readiness on defense because of how much he's improved his defensive play. From what I've read, Pelech he still routinely goes for a big hit instead of making the smart play, and that is the biggest thing holding him back.

[SuperMatt18]

I think there was a big issue in our development of Pelech.

It was pretty much shown that he had done all he could do at the AHL level and needed some time with the big team to prove himself and see what he needed to do to make sure he was an NHL player.

My theory is that you should get at least 5-10 games with the team in your first year of pro if you are a promising/top prospect in your organization.

This gives the prospect a taste of the NHL and shows him how much he needs to improve to become a regular NHL'er.

[ComixZone]

Pelech's skating is at a non-NHL level. They're working with him on it, but he's not NHL ready.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think there was a big issue in our development of Pelech.

It was pretty much shown that he had done all he could do at the AHL level and needed some time with the big team to prove himself and see what he needed to do to make sure he was an NHL player.

My theory is that you should get at least 5-10 games with the team in your first year of pro if you are a promising/top prospect in your organization.

This gives the prospect a taste of the NHL and shows him how much he needs to improve to become a regular NHL'er.

Here's the thing about Pelech. People say he didn't get a chance but he actually made the team ahead of Pardy several years ago. Unfortunatly he was injured in one of the last games that pre-season and has had injury problems ever since. Pardy developed better than expected and Pelech regressed or stagnated due to his injury problems. He seems to have overcome those now, but this off season is really going to be his last chance to prove he can make the NHL. I personally expect he won't be offered a NHL contract, but that he will be invited to camp.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

In addition, Playfair has said that Breen is more NHL ready than Pelech, and Brodie is second in NHL readiness on defense because of how much he's improved his defensive play. From what I've read, Pelech he still routinely goes for a big hit instead of making the smart play, and that is the biggest thing holding him back.

Actually for me I don't give a darn who is "NHL Ready". We need our young AHL talent to make difficult decisions for the Flames. It don't matter if the guys name is too long to be stitched onto the sweater if he earns the spot to beat out Bobby Orr in his prime on our team then it is in the hands of the Flames to make difficult decisions and find a place for them. Right now though we have easy decisions to make at the end of training camp. Good competition is a breeding ground for success.

[VladtheImpaler]

Pelech is a RFA, right? Though Erixon's departure may affect this, but I would imagine they won't even bother to qualify him...

[sureLoss]

About Horak... when was the last time the Flames had a Czech prospect in the system?

Sutter never drafted one.

Button drafted a few but I don't think he signed any?

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

About Horak... when was the last time the Flames had a Czech prospect in the system?

Sutter never drafted one.

Button drafted a few but I don't think he signed any?

Just a stab Reichel?