[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Say what you want about Sutter but this never happened with him and the inference that no player coming in under him was ever pumped up to be coming is ludicrous.

It's sutters fault this happened, he created this atmosphere of the country club.

[The Original FFIV]

Another angle to look at - Gormley/Schwartz vs. Erixon

The deal for Jokinen was Calgary's 1st rounder in either 2009 or 2010, at Calgary's option.

Had we opted to deal our 1st rounder in 2009, we're not having this conversation, and possibly have Brandon Gormley (or Jaden Schwartz) in our prospect pool. 23rd overall in 2009 was a late 1st rounder and perhaps a more prudent pick to deal to Phoenix, that being said, who knew where we were going to finish in the standings in 2010.

So it boils down to: Would you rather have the 2 2nd rounders in this year's draft or one of Gormley/Schwartz? Up to the scouts to find top flight talent this year so that this doesn't become a discussion point should one of Gormley/Schwartz become a star.

[HarveyWallbanger]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

So it boils down to: Would you rather have the 2 2nd rounders in this year's draft or one of Gormley/Schwartz?

I'd rather have this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pmj23CxvOo

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Or he realized he had the Flames over the barrel and could demand whatever he wanted. Tough to say how this played out.

Wouldn't surprise me if his dad could have something to do with it since he has strong ties to the Rangers.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hmmmm.

Grossman was also Jan Erixon's agent (Tim's dad).
Grossman is also Oscar Lindberg's agent (Tim's second cousin).
Lindberg was also Tim's team mate in Skelleftea.

The Rangers just traded for Lindberg on May 8th.

Looks like a giant coupe amongst Grossman and the Erixon clan (Lindberg included) to play for the Rangers.

F 'em all.

Hopefully Horak and whoever we take with 2nd round picks makes this a steal for Calgary when we look back on it years from now.

Looks like the Rangers have beem holding the gun over the Flames indirectly. This was probably all part of the Rangers plan for some time and Erixon was in on it.

This whole situation smacks of tampering. I hope the Flames look further into it and brings it to the NHL for further review.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Realistically what was Feaster supposed to do? Give a big eff you to Erixon but get nothing but pick #53 in return?

It doesn't make sense. This is 100% on Erixon and his camp.

I'm not blaming Feaster and I'm not blaming Sutter. Feaster likely took the best offer he got. But this doesn't change the fact that allowing Erixon to pretty much dictate the terms sets a bad precedent. This is an embarassing day for the Flames having allowed Erixon to pull #### like that.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

It's sutters fault this happened, he created this atmosphere of the country club.

Hyperbole. Sutter didn't tell Erixon to make up obstacles and be disingenuous, and he sure as hell doesn't make lineup decisions this season or much of last season.

[jschick88]

Sorry if this has been posted already. Erixon on being traded and signed. Article is in Swedish but found an english translation.
http://norran.se/sport/hockey/skelle...cle1168229.ece

"A dream come true"
First, he was traded from Calgary to New York Rangers. Then Tim Erixon signed for his dream club.

Skellefteå AIK defenceman Tim Erixon has signed a three-year contract with the New York Rangers and is, of course, extremely happy.

-It is obviously very large and very unexpected. But it's a dream come true. This is one of the greatest days of my life, "says Tim.

That father Janne Erixon is an icon of the club, 556 NHL games for the Rangers during the ten seasons between 1983 and 1993 in the past, and that second cousin Oscar Lindberg was traded there this summer is obviously just bonuses.

- It's completely insane. Actually if you just choose one of the stuff. It is difficult to put words to everything. Me and Oscar have grown up and talked about the NHL all our lives. Now it's still a long way to go though. But just to be part of the New York Rangers organization is indeed a big deal.

There is an additional bonus. New York Rangers begin the NHL season in Sweden.

- It would be great if I were to take a place on the team. Then I hope that there will be many relatives and friends in the stands.

He will thus leave Skelleftea AIK.

- Well, I go over and take the chance. One wants to play in the world's best. But there is also a strange feeling, this is the only club I have played for except in Malmo for a week. So there is much that is new.

It is not clear when he goes over.

- I will go over the summer. But everything is not decided yet. It is fairly new.

[Flame4Ever]

[QUOTE=FAN;3141359]You know this is completely BS. The Flames are now the first and only post-lockout team unable to sign their first round draft pick. It's an embarassing day for the organization. Sure Feaster got "something" for Erixon but the Flames allowed Erixon to get what he wanted. This sets a bad precedent. [\QUOTE]
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[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by HarveyWallbanger

I'd rather have this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pmj23CxvOo

"You can't always get what you want, but you get what you need"

Also interesting how the focus has gone from trading down to accumulate picks to now trading up. Put me in the camp to stand pat and still maybe look at trading down to get another pick in the top 100. Also, do we look at drafting a top flight d-man instead of a scoring forward with today's developments?

Going to be a lot more interesting on draft weekend than in past years, that much is certain.

[jaydub74]

That article basically says it all. He wanted to be a New York Ranger, and he and his agent put up every wall possible to ensure he would be traded to NY. NY knew he wanted to be a Ranger and or made Tim aware they would sign him. This is complete BS. Has anyone contact Ken King to see if the Flames are filing tampering charges with the NHL.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Sorry if this has been posted already. Erixon on being traded and signed. Article is in Swedish but found an english translation.
http://norran.se/sport/hockey/skelle...cle1168229.ece

"A dream come true"
First, he was traded from Calgary to New York Rangers. Then Tim Erixon signed for his dream club.

Skellefteå AIK defenceman Tim Erixon has signed a three-year contract with the New York Rangers and is, of course, extremely happy.

-It is obviously very large and very unexpected. But it's a dream come true. This is one of the greatest days of my life, "says Tim.

That father Janne Erixon is an icon of the club, 556 NHL games for the Rangers during the ten seasons between 1983 and 1993 in the past, and that second cousin Oscar Lindberg was traded there this summer is obviously just bonuses.

- It's completely insane. Actually if you just choose one of the stuff. It is difficult to put words to everything. Me and Oscar have grown up and talked about the NHL all our lives. Now it's still a long way to go though. But just to be part of the New York Rangers organization is indeed a big deal.

There is an additional bonus. New York Rangers begin the NHL season in Sweden.

- It would be great if I were to take a place on the team. Then I hope that there will be many relatives and friends in the stands.

He will thus leave Skelleftea AIK.

- Well, I go over and take the chance. One wants to play in the world's best. But there is also a strange feeling, this is the only club I have played for except in Malmo for a week. So there is much that is new.

It is not clear when he goes over.

- I will go over the summer. But everything is not decided yet. It is fairly new.

"Large and unexpected" - interesting words considering all the speculation of this being orchestrated behind the scenes by various parties - but hey, what do you expect him to say.

Guess when you have the option to stay at home in the SEL until your NHL rights lapse and become a UFA, you can play that card. As for the 'dream come true', all I can say to Mr. Erixon is be careful what you wish for, because you just may get it.

[nieuwy-89]

Wow. I haven't been following this story at all until this evening and can't believe what has happened. The Flames basically got the Lindros treatment from this punk. I'm dissapointed with Erixon but accountability lies with management. Somewhere there was a major communication bust here and Flames management is to blame.

Terrible return...a blue chip prospect should net another blue chip or a first rounder. Two second rounders does not cut it.

Bad start for Feaster. Bad day for the club.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Another angle to look at - Gormley/Schwartz vs. Erixon

The deal for Jokinen was Calgary's 1st rounder in either 2009 or 2010, at Calgary's option.

Had we opted to deal our 1st rounder in 2009, we're not having this conversation, and possibly have Brandon Gormley (or Jaden Schwartz) in our prospect pool. 23rd overall in 2009 was a late 1st rounder and perhaps a more prudent pick to deal to Phoenix, that being said, who knew where we were going to finish in the standings in 2010.

So it boils down to: Would you rather have the 2 2nd rounders in this year's draft or one of Gormley/Schwartz? Up to the scouts to find top flight talent this year so that this doesn't become a discussion point should one of Gormley/Schwartz become a star.

Ugh, they're not completely related events, but everything surrounding that trade has just turned into a massive disaster.

[Joborule]

The most important thing that the Feaster/Sutter need to do from this point on is treat our young players right and make sure our they're are getting their chances when their play deserves it. Getting a chance to play on the NHL club is one thing, but Sutter needs to stop being an ass to the youth players and let them get more minutes if they're outplaying the other players. Backlund should not be getting less rope and play time than players like Stajan which has been the case.

Flames clearly have a reputation of being a bad spot for prospects/young players and it needs to be addressed now. Real eye opener.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I don't like this from a Calgary perspective - they likely lost the best young player (depending on how the picks turn out) for a crapshoot in the draft especially when the odds of developing a player as good as Erixon are low at best and the lower a pick the longer it takes to develop on average.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Sorry if this has been posted already. Erixon on being traded and signed. Article is in Swedish but found an english translation.
http://norran.se/sport/hockey/skelle...cle1168229.ece

"A dream come true"
First, he was traded from Calgary to New York Rangers. Then Tim Erixon signed for his dream club.

Skellefteå AIK defenceman Tim Erixon has signed a three-year contract with the New York Rangers and is, of course, extremely happy.

-It is obviously very large and very unexpected. But it's a dream come true. This is one of the greatest days of my life, "says Tim.

That father Janne Erixon is an icon of the club, 556 NHL games for the Rangers during the ten seasons between 1983 and 1993 in the past, and that second cousin Oscar Lindberg was traded there this summer is obviously just bonuses.

- It's completely insane. Actually if you just choose one of the stuff. It is difficult to put words to everything. Me and Oscar have grown up and talked about the NHL all our lives. Now it's still a long way to go though. But just to be part of the New York Rangers organization is indeed a big deal.

There is an additional bonus. New York Rangers begin the NHL season in Sweden.

- It would be great if I were to take a place on the team. Then I hope that there will be many relatives and friends in the stands.

He will thus leave Skelleftea AIK.

- Well, I go over and take the chance. One wants to play in the world's best. But there is also a strange feeling, this is the only club I have played for except in Malmo for a week. So there is much that is new.

It is not clear when he goes over.

- I will go over the summer. But everything is not decided yet. It is fairly new.

"Dream club". Cousin plays for them, father played for them. Signs literally 5 minutes after being traded after all the problems Calgary went through. Where were his questions for the NYR?

Don't tell me there wasn't tampering here.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

That article basically says it all. He wanted to be a New York Ranger, and he and his agent put up every wall possible to ensure he would be traded to NY. NY knew he wanted to be a Ranger and or made Tim aware they would sign him. This is complete BS. Has anyone contact Ken King to see if the Flames are filing tampering charges with the NHL.

Exactly the Rangers, Erixon and his agent actually forced the Flames into a dealing or risk getting only one 2nd round pick. Feaster himself is a lawyer he really should take a stand on the shrewd dishonest tactics used by the Rangers. If this isn't tampering I don't know what is. The problem with this is that it sets a terrible precedent for other clubs looking to steal other teams higher ranked draft picks. The agent involved obviously did the Rangers a favor.

[pewpew]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

"Dream club". Cousin plays for them, father played for them.

Don't tell me there wasn't tampering here.

Maybe there was, but Feaster could just have easily traded him elsewhere.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by pewpew

Maybe there was, but Feaster could just have easily traded him elsewhere.

Thats why Erixon probably held out to the last minute so that the Flames didn't have any other options "It was all part of the plan".