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Originally Posted by devo22
sure, we can blindly demonize these people for being Republicans and counter their positive actions re Trump with "yeah, but ...", but in my book, every Republican who chooses to snap out of it is a positive. It would have been easy for people like Cheney, Kinzinger etc. to just tow the party line, yet they didn't. Hutchinson could have just not testified, yet she did. I'm not cynical enough to just disregard those things, especially since they did them despite the overwhelming backlash they'd face from their own ranks.
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It’s not blind. It’s the opposite of blind. It’s evaluating their full resume and not just taking their most recent action and blindly ignoring their track record like you’re doing.
This isn’t cynicism. It’s reality. These people have a lot of red in their ledger. This is not redemption. It’s the bare minimum to save them from being pure scum. Not they’re just mostly scum.
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Is the tide turning though? Trump lost the election yes, but do you see America moving towards democracy or authoritarianism. I am really not sure to be honest.
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Poor phrasing on my part. More like opportunism on their part.
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Cheney is very likely going to lose the Republican primary in Wyoming and lose her senate seat.
You can hate her politics and what she has done, but compared to the rest of the Republicans who all just fell in line, she is doing something.
If we just demonize everyone who ever supported Trump what is the motivation for anyone to ever turn on him.
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It’s not demonizing, it’s evaluating their track record and behaviour. One good deed doesn’t wipe out a laundry list of terrible actions.
You don’t get to be cheered as a saviour when you start the fire that burns down the house but then decide to help clean up the ashes. The damage is done.
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
I don't think any of them are good and but I don't think everyone who doesn't believe in the same things I do is evil.
You are viewing it as a binary choice... Once you turn bad, you can never do anything right. I'm not saying I'd vote for them or they are now great Americans, but I can acknowledge when people do something good for their country even if they aren't someone I vote for.
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It’s definitely you seeing it as a binary choice. It’s recency bias. Sure it’s better late than never but it still isn’t good enough. These people aren’t heroes, they aren’t making great personal sacrifices and their actions don’t deserve our admiration.
At best they deserve an “it’s about goddamn time”. They’ve done the bare minimum. The least amount to gain a modicum of respect that until now they’d completely lost.