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Old 05-11-2018, 05:21 PM   #12181
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Kapanen has appeal because he has great speed. I’ve yet to see much finish despite the breakaways.


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Old 05-11-2018, 05:49 PM   #12182
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A line driving centre would certainly be more valuable to this team, but I don't see a scenario where the Flames can add that.

Either Tavares signs here (very long shot, could happen), or Bennett or Jankowski take a massive step this next season.
I am also of the mindset that what we need is another #1/#2 center more than anything.

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ROR would be my first choice via trade that seems realistically available.

Another choice via trade would be Jordan Staal. Overpaid, but he's big, can skate, dominates face offs, basically does it all decently well.

I also wonder if Bozak ends up a Flame this off season, although he's more of a #2/#3 C he still does some things decently well. 32 though, so you definitely don't want much term.
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Old 05-11-2018, 05:57 PM   #12183
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I’m coming around on the ROR idea. But I still don’t want to see a trade before free agency. As far as I’m concerned, no matter how much of a pipe dream it is, the Flames have to make an offer to Tavares.
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Old 05-11-2018, 06:22 PM   #12184
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If you guys love the Leafs players so much why don't you just become Leafs fans?
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Old 05-11-2018, 06:42 PM   #12185
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Ferland was our #1 RW last year. Do you even watch the games?


Ferland played with our best players, but Frolik is is a much better RW.



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Old 05-11-2018, 06:44 PM   #12186
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If you guys love the Leafs players so much why don't you just become Leafs fans?
The players aren't the reason people hate the Leafs.
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Old 05-11-2018, 06:49 PM   #12187
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I am also of the mindset that what we need is another #1/#2 center more than anything.
That is one thing about Monahan. 5 more years at 6.38 per year would allow the Flames to slot him as a number 2. If you can add a center who bumps Monahan to your number 2 slot than you should have center depth that Championship teams do.
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Old 05-11-2018, 06:50 PM   #12188
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Ferland played with our best players, but Frolik is is a much better RW.



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Frolik is a more well rounded and complete player, but I disagree that he is offensively as skilled as Ferland.
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Frolik is a more well rounded and complete player, but I disagree that he is offensively as skilled as Ferland.


I didn’t say that.

If Frolik didn’t have huge shut down responsibilities, he’d likely skate offensive circles around Ferland.

It’s not even a debate Frolik> Ferland.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:06 PM   #12190
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Also regarding Kapanen, let's not forget his dad was kind of a late bloomer. He was a bottom six guy early on his career, just like Kasperi is right now, but became a very good top six winger in his prime. Also wore a letter for the Flyers.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:06 PM   #12191
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I didn’t say that.

If Frolik didn’t have huge shut down responsibilities, he’d likely skate offensive circles around Ferland.

It’s not even a debate Frolik> Ferland.
Whoa I would absolutely debate that.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:07 PM   #12192
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Whoa I would absolutely debate that.
Ferlands potential is higher while Frolic has reached his potential and has proven what he is.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:10 PM   #12193
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Ferlands potential is higher while Frolic has reached his potential and has proven what he is.
Potential aside, Ferland is the more offensive forward. I can’t even use my closing argument because it’s been taken, but turned around on me. I didn’t even think this was up for debate.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:12 PM   #12194
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Frolik has maxed out his potential and ability. Actually, he's starting to fall off the cliff and is very much a declining player now.
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I didn’t say that.

If Frolik didn’t have huge shut down responsibilities, he’d likely skate offensive circles around Ferland.

It’s not even a debate Frolik> Ferland.
Ferland's shot and passing are better than Frolik's. Frolik might be a bit better away from the puck offensively but that is cancelled out by his lack of finish.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:15 PM   #12196
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Frolik has maxed out his potential and ability. Actually, he's very much a declining player now.
I don’t think he’s declining, I’m still a big fan and think he’s useful. But he hasn’t scored 20 goals in 9 seasons... which was when he repeated his career high of 21 goals.

Ferland is faster
Their shots aren’t even remotely comparable (Ferland by a landslide)

Even just go compare their final junior years (both 20yrs old I believe).
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:15 PM   #12197
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Frolik has maxed out his potential and ability. Actually, he's starting to fall off the cliff and is very much a declining player now.
All trends of players who were worse the last 2 years have an asterisk. Many players felt the Gulutzan effect. Let’s see how he performs under the new guy.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:18 PM   #12198
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I didn’t say that.

If Frolik didn’t have huge shut down responsibilities, he’d likely skate offensive circles around Ferland.

It’s not even a debate Frolik> Ferland.
Oh no man, it's extremely debatable. In fact, I think it can be argued that you've got it backwards, though not by a whole lot.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:47 PM   #12199
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Oh no man, it's extremely debatable. In fact, I think it can be argued that you've got it backwards, though not by a whole lot.

Time will tell if Ferland is ever as good as Frolik is.

I am betting that he won’t be.

I expect he’s already hit his peak.




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Old 05-11-2018, 07:54 PM   #12200
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Man, Ferland is heavily over rated. He can shoot. Thats about it.
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