2024/2025 Trade Rumours and Speculation thread

[Flamesfan05]

NFL also draft guys ready to play right away, if not starters for most of the 1st rounder. Bryce Young is closer to be a bust already after one year.

[dammage79]

Yeah comparing NFL draft to any other draft is akin to comparing Nascar to horse racing. Completely different universes.

The NBA is closest and even then it's not all that comparable.

NFL draft you're still getting starters in round 7 because you're picking for position almost 100 percent of the time. There's no BPA priority simply because there's soany position to address.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah comparing NFL draft to any other draft is akin to comparing Nascar to horse racing. Completely different universes.

The NBA is closest and even then it's not all that comparable.

NFL draft you're still getting starters in round 7 because you're picking for position almost 100 percent of the time. There's no BPA priority simply because there's soany position to address.

Unless you're the Falcons this year apparently.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

The Flames are not going to be a bottom 5 team. The only reason they even dropped into the bottom 10 this season after the trade deadline was the play of Jacob Markstrom, a true tank commander.

Didn't want to restate your whole post, but it is a testament to what I have been saying for a long time which is: goalie stats are pretty much useless.

Team trades 2 top 4 defensemen, and goes from okay to terrible, giving up 5 alarm changes all over the place, and the goalie's stats tank. Huh.

Was Markstom as hot as he was earlier? No. But how could he be? It's a team game, and looking at stats can miss that sometimes.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Didn't want to restate your whole post, but it is a testament to what I have been saying for a long time which is: goalie stats are pretty much useless.

Team trades 2 top 4 defensemen, and goes from okay to terrible, giving up 5 alarm changes all over the place, and the goalie's stats tank. Huh.

Was Markstom as hot as he was earlier? No. But how could he be? It's a team game, and looking at stats can miss that sometimes.

Fair enough. If you are taking the position that goalie stats don't matter then we'll just have to disagree. There is nothing that I have seen which indicates that the Flames started giving up a ton more chances after Hanifin and Tanev were gone and I think Wolf's performance over the same period aligns with that.

Markstrom was the worst goalie in the league over his last eight games and it made a huge difference.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Didn't want to restate your whole post, but it is a testament to what I have been saying for a long time which is: goalie stats are pretty much useless.

Team trades 2 top 4 defensemen, and goes from okay to terrible, giving up 5 alarm changes all over the place, and the goalie's stats tank. Huh.

Was Markstom as hot as he was earlier? No. But how could he be? It's a team game, and looking at stats can miss that sometimes.

For whatever reason a lot of people are just brushing aside how bad the defense is. The Flames lost a top 4 defensive dman and a #2/3 dman. They have two top four guys and a whole bunch of question marks.

Markstrom was the only reason the Flames were even hanging around a playoff spot and then the wheels fell off.

I don't think there are even 5 teams I would take Calgary's defense over right now.

[dammage79]

The thing about the Flames defense group as it stands today though is, the only Vet now is Weegar, Andersson and I guess Kylington?? And they're all young enough to grow into the new regime or be traded for more assistance.

The rest of the hopefully are just entering their full time careers and Conroy made sure he has anough of them to increase the odds that a couple of them stick.

I'd also add we haven't even the the prized Defensive acquisitions play yet in Grushnikov and Bruce. Their training camps will dictate a lot of where the defense will go in the next few seasons.

Long an short of it, this isn't an aging D corps and you're building it up on the correct side of things. This isn't a group of old men earning their final paydays, and that's a good thing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The thing about the Flames defense group as it stands today though is, the only Vet now is Weegar, Andersson and I guess Kylington?? And they're all young enough to grow into the new regime or be traded for more assistance.

The rest of the hopefully are just entering their full time careers and Conroy made sure he has anough of them to increase the odds that a couple of them stick.

I'd also add we haven't even the the prized Defensive acquisitions play yet in Grushnikov and Bruce. Their training camps will dictate a lot of where the defense will go in the next few seasons.

Long an short of it, this isn't an aging D corps and you're building it up on the correct side of things. This isn't a group of old men earning their final paydays, and that's a good thing.

I agree that there is plenty of room for optimism going forward. But anyone arguing that the defense was at all fine, from the trade deadline on, is crazy.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Fair enough. If you are taking the position that goalie stats don't matter then we'll just have to disagree. There is nothing that I have seen which indicates that the Flames started giving up a ton more chances after Hanifin and Tanev were gone and I think Wolf's performance over the same period aligns with that.

Markstrom was the worst goalie in the league over his last eight games and it made a huge difference.

Yes, let's agree to disagree.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Bonded

For whatever reason a lot of people are just brushing aside how bad the defense is. The Flames lost a top 4 defensive dman and a #2/3 dman. They have two top four guys and a whole bunch of question marks.

Markstrom was the only reason the Flames were even hanging around a playoff spot and then the wheels fell off.

I don't think there are even 5 teams I would take Calgary's defense over right now.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I agree that there is plenty of room for optimism going forward. But anyone arguing that the defense was at all fine, from the trade deadline on, is crazy.

That's very rude.

Go ahead. Explain how the defense was terrible. If it's so obvious then it must be easy to show where the problems were.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I agree that there is plenty of room for optimism going forward. But anyone arguing that the defense was at all fine, from the trade deadline on, is crazy.

It wasn't fine before the deadline either. It certainly wasn't good enough to push I to a playoff spot at any point in the season even with Markstrom going god mode when he came back from the broken finger injury to the deadline.

Post deadline it wasn't disastrous nor was it great. If anything the defense performed exactly how it should have given the turn over rate and the state of some of the incoming players. Miromanov only played a few games since coming back from long term rehabilitation on his legs, Kylington was still finding his feet, Hanley was about the only dud IMO in the whole group.

It could have been much worse if Pachal didn't materialize into a competent defender.

Post deadline was what it was, the result of depleting your mainstays from your core that wasn't good enough to secure a playoff spot. There certainly wasn't going to be an uptick in performance no matter which way the cookie crumbled. Just more of the same.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

That's very rude.

Go ahead. Explain how the defense was terrible. If it's so obvious then it must be easy to show where the problems were.

Our defense is terrible. We have one top pairing in Weegar. One average 2nd pairing in Andersson. And one 3rd pairing in Kylington.

You can maybe make an argument that Miromanov is another bottom pairing, but I do think he and the rest of the d would likely be a #7 to 8 on a good team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't know.

Coleman likely doesn't score 30 goals next season. Kadri isn't getting 75 points.

Huberdeau is talking about being a 60-70 point player going forward.

Does Weegar hit 20 goals? Do the Flames have the the #2 defence in scoring?

[Sylvanfan]

I think the trades of Tanev and Hanifin took a lot of steam out of the group, particularly a lot of the veterans. To me it seemed like the team was a bit lost and a few guys sort of checked out with Markstrom seeming like he had a lot of wind out of his sail. He did have an injury and wasn't the same after too, so maybe a factor. But I do think pre deadline Markstrom and the post deadline one were vastly different. Really for the better since the team was not making the playoffs even if he played like the guy before.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

That's very rude.

Go ahead. Explain how the defense was terrible. If it's so obvious then it must be easy to show where the problems were.

The team was leaky all season in the defensive zone. Markstrom despite his rough finish still finished third overall in the league in GSAx which I think is one of the better stats to judge goalies against.
Pre-deadline his GSAx was 31.88, Vladar was -10.76, and Wolf was -5.56. Post deadline Markstrom was -2.95 and Wolf was -2.17.
Markstrom was worse post deadline but Wolf wasn't that much better. Markstrom stopped playing at a Vezina level and the Flames started losing because the goalie wasn't covering them anymore.

Outside of stats, which teams would you take Calgary's dcore over?

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Markstrom was worse post deadline but Wolf wasn't that much better. Markstrom stopped playing at a Vezina level and the Fla

Outside of stats, which teams would you take Calgary's dcore over?

For next season?

Anaheim
Arizona
Chicago
Columbus
Detroit
Edmonton
Montreal
Pittsburgh
San Jose
Seattle
Toronto
Washington

It's not clear cut on some of them, but looking quickly through the depth charts I wouldn't eagerly switch the Flames D core with these teams.

You?

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

For next season?

Anaheim
Arizona
Chicago
Columbus
Detroit
Edmonton
Montreal
Pittsburgh
San Jose
Seattle
Toronto
Washington

It's not clear cut on some of them, but looking quickly through the depth charts I wouldn't eagerly switch the Flames D core with these teams.

You?

Are you making a hyperbolic point or would you really eagerly take San Jose's and Chicago's D over Calgary's? I'm not going to get into the rest, but that seems... odd.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Are you making a hyperbolic point or would you really eagerly take San Jose's and Chicago's D over Calgary's? I'm not going to get into the rest, but that seems... odd.

You read it backwards.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Are you making a hyperbolic point or would you really eagerly take San Jose's and Chicago's D over Calgary's? I'm not going to get into the rest, but that seems... odd.

No, these are the teams that I wouldn't switch for Calgary's D. At first blush anyways... It's hard to make a call like that quickly.

[YyjFlames]

ah ha! Sorry. I didn't want to dive into all of them, but those seemed like really odd Ds to want, and I'm a huge fan of Mario Ferraro.