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Old 12-15-2010, 07:03 PM   #1
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The Aegis II automated gun tower will soon make its debut to protect itself from North Korean incursions

http://www.gizmag.com/korea-dodamm-s...-turret/17198/

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This reminds me more of Aliens than Terminator.


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Reminds me of this:



I'd buy that for a dollar!
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In my opinion, there should always be a human responsible for pulling any trigger. I even question the use of predator drones and cruise missles, as it takes away too much of the 1st person human perspective in utterly ending someone elses life.

Furthermore, the DMZ seems like a pretty poor choice of place to work out the real life kinks of such a weapons system.
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After reading the article I started looking at some AEGIS combat system videos on destroyers, which lead to videos on the Phalanx system (which is awesome) which led to the land based Phalanx system, and I found this video, which is un-fing-believable.

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The Phalanx is sooooo awesome.
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Watching that video is scary as hell... It's cool but i cant imagine being in that situation in real life.

Apparently NKO recently stated that they were willing to use Nuclear weapons on SKO... Seriously NKO needs to just die already.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:59 PM   #8
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Reminds me of a souped up one of these.

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In my opinion, there should always be a human responsible for pulling any trigger. I even question the use of predator drones and cruise missles, as it takes away too much of the 1st person human perspective in utterly ending someone elses life.

Furthermore, the DMZ seems like a pretty poor choice of place to work out the real life kinks of such a weapons system.
If you think about it, if every country has fighting robots then they won't be sending humans in to fight. Thus, human fought war is over.

Now if the robots turn on us...
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In my opinion, there should always be a human responsible for pulling any trigger. I even question the use of predator drones and cruise missles, as it takes away too much of the 1st person human perspective in utterly ending someone elses life.

Furthermore, the DMZ seems like a pretty poor choice of place to work out the real life kinks of such a weapons system.

On Predators there is human operations on final release of weapons. Cruise missiles are human deployed at well.

Men can't cover every inch of the border 24 x 7, this is the best alternative.
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On Predators there is human operations on final release of weapons. Cruise missiles are human deployed at well.

Men can't cover every inch of the border 24 x 7, this is the best alternative.
Yeah, I understand the human operations part on preds & such, but for some reason it still seems very far removed from even a high powered scoped rifle shot at great distance...there's just that much less 1st hand human perspective.

Here's an admittedly weak comparison: Say I'm elk hunting and see an animal at 250 yards that I decide to shoot, an ethical shot with a scoped rifle...the elk stands upon a hillside that earlier in the day I saw a family hiking on. My 1st hand human decision making would influence me to pass on shooting that elk, as I know there is a possibility that the hikers may be nearby...also, I don't know what's over the hillside...maybe nothing, maybe a boy scout troop, maybe naked lesbians.
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Yeah, I understand the human operations part on preds & such, but for some reason it still seems very far removed from even a high powered scoped rifle shot at great distance...there's just that much less 1st hand human perspective.
The removal of a person from killing is nothing new, what about all those RAF bomber crews in WWII that were firebombing German cities?

The military must love this kind of technology, as further removing the human from the killing must make it easier to train them to "push the button".
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USAF just bought their last predator.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...edator-drones/

They are phasing in the Reaper.

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Unlike the Predator, the Reaper is no accidental warrior. Also built by General Atomics, it flies twice as fast (150-170 knots cruising, 260 max), at higher altitudes (around 50,000 feet), and carries ten times the payload (over 2 tons) as the Predator. That allows it to strap on the AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, as well as GBU-12 and GBU-38 precision bombs. And as a surveillance aircraft, it’s got more electrical power than the Predator, which means “we can integrate new or improved sensors on the aircraft,” Johnson says.
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Reminds me of a souped up one of these.

Works great unless you have Cold-Blooded as a perk.
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The Aegis II automated gun tower will soon make its debut to protect itself from North Korean incursions

http://www.gizmag.com/korea-dodamm-s...-turret/17198/

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I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia is looking to have guns like this on its border wall with Iraq. . . . . . that was the plan a few years ago anyway.

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I love how that wired article mentions Iran has its own drone program. Is it still called a drone if its just a grenade duct taped to a kite

This reminds me of Bond on SNES dropping a few auto machine gun turrets around a corner and having one of those little Alien mods come around the corner and just get torn to pieces.
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The only thing that I don't like about the idea of automated gun towers, is that the first time they open up their location is known, and you merely drop in some rounds of high explosives from just beyond their range. Or use tanks since a 12.7 round won't hurt a tank.

We know NK is going to be willilng to throw away the lives of a few dumb privates to locate these guns.
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The removal of a person from killing is nothing new, what about all those RAF bomber crews in WWII that were firebombing German cities?

The military must love this kind of technology, as further removing the human from the killing must make it easier to train them to "push the button".
I still don't know where I'm going with this, if anywhere, but those RAF bomber crews were still involved in 1st person killing in a couple of ways: They risked flying bombers over Germany, and they had an emotional/physical investment & perspective over what was to be gained and lost over carrying out their duties.

A machine has no such perspective.

Now, one could make the argument that we as humans first made killing another an easier and less intimate of a decision when we first invented the thrown rock, the spear or atlatl or, the bow and arrow. But I still propose that there is something to be said about human involvement in the decision making process of taking a life.

I'm drinking whiskey tonight, so this post is probably both over-thought and under-thought at the same time...and might not make any sense at all.
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The only thing that I don't like about the idea of automated gun towers, is that the first time they open up their location is known, and you merely drop in some rounds of high explosives from just beyond their range. Or use tanks since a 12.7 round won't hurt a tank.

We know NK is going to be willilng to throw away the lives of a few dumb privates to locate these guns.
I ask this question sincerely and not as a trick: How would you feel if the U.S. deployed this technology on the Mexican border (a very dangerous border)? How about the Canadian border? In the interests of national security of course.
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I ask this question sincerely and not as a trick: How would you feel if the U.S. deployed this technology on the Mexican border (a very dangerous border)? How about the Canadian border? In the interests of national security of course.
Wait, did you just compare the DMZ with the Canada-US border?
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