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Badger Bob · 10-30-2009, 08:47 AM

Scanned the first three pages, but didn't notice anything on it. So, sorry if it was missed and is a fata. If not, let's cherrypick.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ysis_fall2009/

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The organization boasts capable two-way forwards like David Van der Gulik, Brett Sutter, and Cam Cunning, none of whom project beyond a third or fourth line role in the NHL.

Boasts?

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The right side is marginally stronger than the left thanks to first rounders Kris Chucko and Greg Nemisz. Chucko has long struggled under the burden of expectations placed on a player of his draft position (26th overall). He has slowly but steadily developed his offensive game, culminating in a career-high 28 goals and 51 points last year in 74 games in the AHL. The big, bullish forward drives to the net with authority and is capable of burying rebounds from in close. His awkward skating stride and mediocre hockey sense have been impediments to him making the leap to the next level, but there are signs he's making slow inroads in both areas.
Nemisz has been a notable scorer for the Windsor Spitfires ever since his draft season, including a 36-goal, 77-point effort last year. Tall, with a long reach and admirable offensive instincts, Nemisz is also defensively responsible. He was a significant piece of the Memorial Cup-winning squad and projects to be one of the Flames better prospects going forward.

This actually seems like a fair assessment for both players.

On Mikael Bunklund:

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He also failed to impress in two consecutive training camps for the Flames, despite being given long looks and favorable playing circumstances (such as skating with Jarome Iginla and Olli Jokinen in pre-season games). A strong season in the AHL will go a long way towards answering questions about Backlund's ability to compete against adults at the pro level.

Can anybody else confirm? Did Bunklund really "fail to impress" at camp or was it just the realization that he required a year of seasoning in the AHL? That was kind of the expectation, wasn't it?

As for the rest of the article, the summary of the defensive depth seems relatively accurate, but the supposed faltering of Keetley came as a surprise here (without really following the AHL much). Is Keetley really that big of a concern after just one season?

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There's some concern the Flames system lacks a legitimate star who will eventually replace Iginla's contributions. While forwards like Backlund, Nemisz and Wahl have shown some promise at lower levels, there's little chance a similar star will emerge from the current crop of forwards, which is mainly comprised of grinders, checkers and "character" role players.

Definitely, there've been a problem with stuffing the system with grinders during the Sutter era, but it'd stand to reason that Backlund, Nemisz and Wahl all stand very good chances of being Flame regulars over the next few seasons.

Flashpoint · 10-30-2009, 08:58 AM

No.

flambers · 10-30-2009, 09:01 AM

In my opinion I don't waste any time reading anything to do with HF.

As for the comments about "Bunkland"... the guy is still very young in my opinion he is far better off not being rushed to the NHL and give him time to develop his game.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-30-2009, 09:02 AM

No.

There is also a specific CalgaryPuck forum for discussing prospects that you are encouraged to check out.

Canada 02 · 10-30-2009, 09:06 AM

it's fun to mock them

Muta · 10-30-2009, 09:20 AM

Their assessments aren't THAT terrible. Some of you should lighten up a bit.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-30-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Their assessments aren't THAT terrible. Some of you should lighten up a bit.

I also think the place for discussing Hockey's Future is Hockey's Future.

Pastiche · 10-30-2009, 09:28 AM

Pretty decent article honestly. A better effort from them for sure.

Muta · 10-30-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I also think the place for discussing Hockey's Future is Hockey's Future.

True, but it is Calgary Flames related... hence why it's on this board. You don't have to read this thread if you don't want to.

Ford Prefect · 10-30-2009, 09:30 AM

Does anyone pay any attention to HF period?

mikey_the_redneck · 10-30-2009, 09:32 AM

Alot of hope rests on the shoulders of Backlund to eventually come in and provide solid top 6 offence, same with Nemisz. It is pretty hard for an organization to find an eventual Iginla replacement without tanking for a top 3 pick. Unfair to put pressure on Backlund/Nemisz to become our new Iginla.........
We are super deep on defense so you could always trade for a young forward to provide offence down the road.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-30-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

True, but it is Calgary Flames related... hence why it's on this board. You don't have to read this thread if you don't want to.

Actually I think links to that site should be banned, as are several other disreputable hockey sites. It is spam.

kermitology · 10-30-2009, 09:41 AM

I believe that our poster Metro Gnome wrote that.

Resolute 14 · 10-30-2009, 09:46 AM

HF is a site that thinks it is godlike in its field, but which nobody else respects or cares about. There may be the odd decent article there, but they tend to get buried under a mountain of crap.

As to this article specifically, it was written by our good friend Metrognome, who has done good stuff on his own blogs. In this case, the quality is because of the author himself, not the site.

Oh, and IBTL.

Muta · 10-30-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Actually I think links to that site should be banned, as are several other disreputable hockey sites. It is spam.

That's nice, but not everybody feels that way. It still is Calgary Flames related, which is the basis for discussion on this board. Again, you don't have to visit the thread if you don't agree with or like it.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-30-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

That's nice, but not everybody feels that way. It still is Calgary Flames related, which is the basis for discussion on this board. Again, you don't have to visit the thread if you don't agree with or like it.

If CalgaryPuck game takes and D'Arcy McGrath articles were habitually linked to HFBoards, the poster would be banned.

Again, if you wish to discuss Hockey Future articles, they have provided forums in which to do so.

Muta · 10-30-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

If CalgaryPuck game takes and D'Arcy McGrath articles were habitually linked to HFBoards, the poster would be banned.

Again, if you wish to discuss Hockey Future articles, they have provided forums in which to do so.

This IS a forum to dicsuss that exact content. Again, if you don't like a thread based on someone's interpretation of Calgary Flames' prospects and the discussions that ensue within it, simply don't visit the thread. I'm sorry, but it's really that simple.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-30-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

This IS a forum to dicsuss that exact content. Again, if you don't like a thread based on someone's interpretation of Calgary Flames' prospects and the discussions that ensue within it, simply don't visit the thread. I'm sorry, but it's really that simple.

Hilarious. Simple as that.

An article that gets absolutely zero attention or feedback on it's own host website, with the only meaningful discussion occuring on a COMPETING website.

Wilson should be instead writing for CalgaryPuck, He's not going to get a significant audience on that other place.

There's a reason for CalgaryPuck's enduring popularity with Flames fans-- and that's because it distances itself from Hockey's Future.

Badger Bob · 10-30-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

If CalgaryPuck game takes and D'Arcy McGrath articles were habitually linked to HFBoards, the poster would be banned.

Again, if you wish to discuss Hockey Future articles, they have provided forums in which to do so.

You're really overreacting here. It's probably my fault for the thread title, but individual posters are responsible for what they put up in response. Is there a valid reason somebody has to put up nothing more than "No." as a reply. Then say nothing or don't open the thread. If you don't want to discuss a thread topic, don't post in it. Simple as that. Threads are popping up on the main board about injuries. It doesn't interest me in the least, but that's no call to throw a tantrum.

The linked article above contains enough info for discussion purposes.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-30-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Badger Bob

You're really overreacting here. It's probably my fault for the thread title, but individual posters are responsible for what they put up in response. Is there a valid reason somebody has to put up nothing more than "No." as a reply. Then say nothing or don't open the thread. If you don't want to discuss a thread topic, don't post in it. Simple as that. Threads are popping up on the main board about injuries. It doesn't interest me in the least, but that's no call to throw a tantrum.

The linked article above contains enough info for discussion purposes.

You posit a question and didn't expect "no" as a possible reply?

Sorry, but questioning the validity of a particular website and/or author is legitimate commentary. Happens all the time.