Great information on Nutrition!

[Tower]

http://www.doctoryourself.com/index.html

MOD EDIT: Don't post so much content from another site please.

[redforever]

Why not post all the ways you will "enlighten" us under one thread?

[troutman]

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...ics/ortho.html

Several expert teams have examined the claims of "orthomolecular" proponents and concluded that they are unsubstantiated.

The Bottom Line

The human body has limited capacity to use vitamins in its metabolic activities. When vitamins are consumed in excess of the body's physiological needs, they function as drugs rather than vitamins. A few situations exist in which high doses of vitamins are known to be beneficial, but they must still be used with caution because of potential toxicity. For example, large doses of niacin can be very useful as part of a comprehensive, medically supervised program for controlling abnormal blood cholesterol levels. "Orthomolecular" practitioners go far beyond this, however, by prescribing large amounts of supplements to all or most of the patients who consult them. This approach can result in great harm to psychiatric patients when used instead of effective medications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomo...ific_reception

Orthomolecular therapies have been criticized as lacking a sufficient evidence base for clinical use: their scientific foundations are too weak, the studies that have been performed are too few and too open to interpretation, and reported positive findings in observational studies are contradicted by the results of more rigorous clinical trials.[55][58] The lack of scientifically rigorous testing of orthomolecular medicine has led to its practices being classed with other forms of alternative medicine and regarded as unscientific.[59][60][61] It has been described as food faddism and quackery, with critics arguing that it is based upon an "exaggerated belief in the effects of nutrition upon health and disease."[15][16][17]

[Flame Of Liberty]

Am I the only one who originally thought this topic was a joke and only to realize it was tower who posted it?

[GGG]

I thought tower was only going to post facts from now on??????

[Flame Of Liberty]

Well he does have "FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY" in his signature, so...

[flip]

Tower is like a more serious and less incendiary DESS.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...ics/ortho.html

Several expert teams have examined the claims of "orthomolecular" proponents and concluded that they are unsubstantiated.

The Bottom Line

The human body has limited capacity to use vitamins in its metabolic activities. When vitamins are consumed in excess of the body's physiological needs, they function as drugs rather than vitamins. A few situations exist in which high doses of vitamins are known to be beneficial, but they must still be used with caution because of potential toxicity. For example, large doses of niacin can be very useful as part of a comprehensive, medically supervised program for controlling abnormal blood cholesterol levels. "Orthomolecular" practitioners go far beyond this, however, by prescribing large amounts of supplements to all or most of the patients who consult them. This approach can result in great harm to psychiatric patients when used instead of effective medications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomo...ific_reception

Orthomolecular therapies have been criticized as lacking a sufficient evidence base for clinical use: their scientific foundations are too weak, the studies that have been performed are too few and too open to interpretation, and reported positive findings in observational studies are contradicted by the results of more rigorous clinical trials.[55][58] The lack of scientifically rigorous testing of orthomolecular medicine has led to its practices being classed with other forms of alternative medicine and regarded as unscientific.[59][60][61] It has been described as food faddism and quackery, with critics arguing that it is based upon an "exaggerated belief in the effects of nutrition upon health and disease."[15][16][17]

Yet ore and more doctors are learning this information is quack! Proper nutrition is a joke? Using things that our body MUST have vs chemical toxins is quack? Your body is insufficient in nutrient so you get sick. Now lets pump you full of toxic chemicals instead of proper nutrients first. Nutrients the body needs is the first step that should be used. It is the least expensive form to be used. And will almost always solve the problem. Who wrote that wiki Troutman?

This option for health does not make money, and empowers the everyday person. Decreases lines to the doctor and has in many cases cured disease. Read the studies. They re just as technical and have 0 bottom line on profit.

[redforever]

Do you start to shake and tremble when you have to go outside?

[Jedi Ninja]

Originally Posted by Tower

Yet ore and more doctors are learning this information is quack! Proper nutrition is a joke? Using things that our body MUST have vs chemical toxins is quack? Your body is insufficient in nutrient so you get sick. Now lets pump you full of toxic chemicals instead of proper nutrients first. Nutrients the body needs is the first step that should be used. It is the least expensive form to be used. And will almost always solve the problem. Who wrote that wiki Troutman?

This option for health does not make money, and empowers the everyday person. Decreases lines to the doctor and has in many cases cured disease. Read the studies. They re just as technical and have 0 bottom line on profit.

Yet, this treatment encourages people to consume vitamins in minerals in doses that far exceed scientifically recommended levels. This can actually have significant adverse health effects if taken too far.

If you eat a properly balanced diet, you really don't need to be messing with this bs.

[WindomURL]

Originally Posted by Tower

Loud noises

Fixed.

[peter12]

Non-traditional PhD? Is that one where you don't go to school?

[Dion]

[jammies]

Originally Posted by peter12

Non-traditional PhD? Is that one where you don't go to school?

Yah, I have 3 of those - I've just never mentioned it before because I don't like to brag.

I'm also #1 on the "jammies' Best Dressed Men of 2009" list, my touch cures scrofula, and all women secretly fantasize about me but are just too intimidated by how awesome I am to admit it.

[JohnnyB]

I know little researched info about subject matter in this area, but I feel like it may be similar to debates over traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicines. I used to think that TCM was kind of silly, and that it was ridiculous to put any stock in that over modern Western medicine. My inner monologue would quietly belittle people telling me about how good it is for you and how much better it is than Western medicine. These days though, after having lived in a place where people use TCM a lot and experiencing it for a good while I'm quite partial to using TCM for everyday sorts of illnesses. No doubt, if things get serious I'm straight onto Western meds, but I appreciate the value of TCM now and see the benefit of striking a balance in use between Western and Chinese meds. I'm not so informed, but perhaps that's the right approach here.

[Phaneuf3]

Interesting read. Thanks for the A+ info.

Its interesting to note that he's anti-vaccination. One of the best arguments he makes appears to be from an article dating back to 2003 where he proves that vaccinations do nothing because when they cut vaccinations for certain flu strains there has not been a single outbreak of swine flu to date.

This was seen to be totally false; after all; the public immunization program was abruptly halted and still there was no epidemic of Swine Flu.

I'm totally going to trust this guy and his bulletproof logic that has been proven to be correct. Someone using the term Big Pharma is always a tip off that this is someone I should be getting medical advice from.

[Daradon]

While it's probably true that most people don't get enough vitamins, if it were that easy to cure stuff simply by taking massive amount of vitamins we'd all live to be 300.

And as mentioned, some vitamins and minerals become just as dangerous as other 'chemicals' in high doses.

A balanced diet is important, and many people probably could use more vitamins. But overdosing on anything, even water, is bad.

[Azure]

People don't get enough vitamins because their diet is lacking.

Plus, it is possible to take a multi-vitamin without overdosing.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Azure

People don't get enough vitamins because their diet is lacking.

Plus, it is possible to take a multi-vitamin without overdosing.

I thought I heard somewhere (I didn't bother to ready the feces that Tower is spewing) that our vegetables are actually lower in vitamins and minerals because the soil has gone through so many crop cycles? No clue if that is true.

Anyways, modern medicine and big pharmaceutical companies have made my life expectancy 80.4 years. Hurray! My grandparents only had a life expectancy of 60 years. Good thing they weren't subjected to all this evil modern medicine....

Yes, yes Tower... I'm sure it's because the drinking water was so dirty back then, and that's all.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Azure

People don't get enough vitamins because their diet is lacking.

Plus, it is possible to take a multi-vitamin without overdosing.

Oh yeah, I know that. I also take multivitamins myself to round out what I don't get naturally. I also know you'd have to take a ton (a ton) of multivitamins to actually be anywhere near a dose that may be harmful. I know mine say I could take up to 8 a day and I only take 2 anyway.

I'm just saying a lot of people miss it both ways. Both in diet and in supplements.

I was just also commenting on the comments about overdosing on vitamins.