"We'd be in a lot of trouble if we didn't have him," said Spits head coach Bob Boughner, whose team plays its home opener Thursday against Sarnia.
"He's gotten some big goals and just watch his play away from the puck and how responsible he is."
like the sound of that; skilled and defensively aware
He has been playing with more poise and jump. Last year, he didn't keep his feet moving as much and I think that contributed to making him look slow. He's been looking better this year.
What specifically about him and his game made you say he is a bad pick?
For those wanting to know, Nemsiz has 3 goals, 5 points in 4 games so far.
For one, his foot speed really bothered me. Now, I have never seen him live, so these are just opinions I picked up from reading scouting reports, comments by people who have seen him live, and videos/games I've watched online. Call me picky, but I don't like prospects that have foot speed as one of their cons. It just doesn't sit well with me.
The other big thing for me was that his game is as a power forward. Power forwards are notoriously hard to project. They develop slower than other types of players, and often don't pan out beyond big bodies filling out 4th lines.
I suppose I just wanted a 'safer' pick, not that it's really possible at that position in the draft, but I feel as if the odds are stacked against Nemisz more than others.
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For one, his foot speed really bothered me. Now, I have never seen him live, so these are just opinions I picked up from reading scouting reports, comments by people who have seen him live, and videos/games I've watched online. Call me picky, but I don't like prospects that have foot speed as one of their cons. It just doesn't sit well with me.
You do this in every thread. You do realize that the majority of Flames fans haven't seen him play much right? Maybe you should start calling everyone out who likes the pick but hasn't seen him play. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you fit into that group. If you disagree with someone on a prospect you should point out why you disagree, or why they are wrong based on what you have seen. Rather than this "I've seen him play more than you have!!" and to be perfectly honest I have my doubts that you watch all these players that you are apparently so informed about.
This is a Flames discussion board, and I would love to hear a discussion on Nemisz, or even your opinion on him. Why is this poster wrong? Do you disagree that a powerforward is a high risk pick?
You do this in every thread. You do realize that the majority of Flames fans haven't seen him play much right?
Certainly do, which is why I asked HP why he thought Nemisz was a bad pick. I assumed he had seen him play and was curious to know. Hope that is okay with you.
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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you fit into that group.
Prepare to be shocked.
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If you disagree with someone on a prospect you should point out why you disagree, or why they are wrong based on what you have seen. Rather than this "I've seen him play more than you have!!"
I didn't do that though. He said he didn't like the pick, I asked him why. Then he gave his answer and I said okay. I never pulled the I've seen him more card, I never called him an idiot or anything.
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and to be perfectly honest I have my doubts that you watch all these players that you are apparently so informed about.
And to be perfectly honest, I don't care.
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This is a Flames discussion board, and I would love to hear a discussion on Nemisz, or even your opinion on him. Why is this poster wrong? Do you disagree that a powerforward is a high risk pick?
Where did I say HP was wrong?
I asked him why he thought he was a bad pick. Personally, I totally agree with the power forward argument, and I think it's okay to comment on players without seeing them. To go as far as to call it a "bad" pick though, that's a little harsh without first hand(eye) knowledge.
My thoughts on Nemsiz. I like him, he has warts, and isn't a sure thing, but that's what you get in the last part of the first round. I love his size, and I love his hands in close. Kid has some good talent and reads the game well IMO. Like I said when he was drafted, I was surprised to hear the skating issue come up. I had seen him several times last season -- Spitfires had a couple more games on TV after Micky Renaud passed -- and never seen skating as a negative with him. I don't think skating is a big part of his game, but it certainly isn't something that will hold him back. Think of Langkow, not the best skater, not the worst, that's what Nemisz was like to me. So I don't see the skating issue as a problem.
I like the fact that Nemisz, despite playing with Taylor Hall at times -- can create offense on his own. He using his big frame exceptionally well to bully his way into a scoring position and has a good shot once he gets there.
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Hey, I openly admit it, and you are perfectly free to disregard whatever I say, but those are my two concerns based on what I've read/seen.
I addressed this abit in my post above, but I'll say it directly to you. That's fine, got no problem with that. I think the power forward argument is a good one, and Nemisz is far from a sure thing. Drafting that late in the first round though, no one is going to be a sure thing.
I do think it's harsh to say it's a bad pick without actually seeing him play though, but that's just me. The skating issue puzzled me when he was drafted. He is a fine skater, not great, but not bad.
MMF I think this is just a semantics thing.
I think when you said "gotcha", and nothing else, after highlighting what you did of HP's post, it comes across as if you're looking down on hims and being deragotry for forming an opinion without having seen Nemisz play live. I doubt this was your intention, but if you had done something similar to your second post where you actually explained what was going on, you wouldn't come off like you're trying to be a jerk.
For a lot of people, the scouting reports that people who are into CHL hockey, especially those who happen to be in the area are the best way to get a handle on who was picked. Let's face it, while some people had Nemisz pegged as a late first rounder, the TSN scouting report does raise the footspeed issue that HP brought up:
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big, diligent forward with an NHL-calibre shot who protects the puck well and understands the game. But he needs to pick up his skating, add a little more energy to his game. That could mean a fall into the second round, but then they were saying all the same things about Shawn Matthias a couple of years ago
Back on track: Nemisz was an average skater at the OHL level last year, but this was componded by the fact that he didn't keep his feet moving and didn't always bring the same intensity every night.
While I think that his skating has improved (both in terms of technique and leg strength), I think the main thing is that he's remembering to keep his ffet moving and not to coast so much. If he can start playing with an edge, that would be great.
You do this in every thread. You do realize that the majority of Flames fans haven't seen him play much right? Maybe you should start calling everyone out who likes the pick but hasn't seen him play. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you fit into that group. If you disagree with someone on a prospect you should point out why you disagree, or why they are wrong based on what you have seen. Rather than this "I've seen him play more than you have!!" and to be perfectly honest I have my doubts that you watch all these players that you are apparently so informed about.
This is a Flames discussion board, and I would love to hear a discussion on Nemisz, or even your opinion on him. Why is this poster wrong? Do you disagree that a powerforward is a high risk pick?
I'll say this, pro or con, I really don't take any scouting report on CP too seriously, unless there is some special reason why I might bother reading a little more into it. I also stopped judging prospects as a good/bad pick and stopped evaluating their progress unless Darryl Sutter, Tod Button or any Flames staff member - or any other in the biz - come out with a comment.
I don't think we can rely on amateaurs to really make a call on the value of a drafted prospect, or how they come along. I read through the prospect camp and traiining camp reports, follow CP and all the comments on the prospects throughout the year, but really I don't look too much into it. For instance, skating. There are so many things that a normal hockey fan doesn't take into consideration when they say "poor skater." Are they looking at straight away speed? Acceleration? Agility on their skates? Whats the power on their stride? Are they able to win battles because of it? How strong are they on their skates? What can they do with their speed? Can they improve on their speed? I'll take a guy who's strong on his skates but below average straight away speed to speedy gonzolas who's Oleg Saprykin on skates. I'll take an opportunist with above average wheels over flying zippy who goes to all the wrong areas of the ice.
It isn't until they come close to reaching the NHL - i.e. Pelech - that I start to look a little more closely into the comments and critisisms of the player.
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