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calf · 10-24-2004, 10:50 AM

C'mon, give us the win

Dunigan wants the decision reversed and the W given to the Stamps. Doubt it will happen, but it will definately raise the issue of horrible reffing in the CFL (finally!)

Resolute 14 · 10-24-2004, 12:09 PM

The final score will not be overturned, but if this protest pushes the CFL into finally approving instant replay, then it is money and time well spent.

Mean Mr. Mustard · 10-24-2004, 01:03 PM

Am I the only one wondering why? What is the point so you don't have the absolute worst record in the CFL?

Resolute 14 · 10-24-2004, 01:07 PM

Why should the Stamps accept being screwed out of a win they earned?

calf · 10-24-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Oct 24 2004, 01:03 PM
Am I the only one wondering why? What is the point so you don't have the absolute worst record in the CFL?

Pride. I don't think any team wants the worst record in the league. Besides, if you earned the win, you should (in theory), be credited for it.

Plus, with seasons tickets sales for next year being on the brink of totally collapsing, having that extra win could do wonders in showing that there is some promise for next year. Regardless, I think that fans who do buy seasons will see right through the W-L record and see how promising this team is.

I'll stick with pride as my answer.

ken0042 · 10-24-2004, 03:22 PM

Why?

Ok, ticket sales and pride are good answers.

But it comes down to making officials accountable. Yes, the season is all over 'cept the crying for this year. So the Stamps are taking the time they have and working on having a playoff contention team next year. Something has to be done. We can't pay officials 6 figure slaries like in the NFL. Maybe some sort of review is needed. And a game being lost just because of a bad call is the perfect example of why it is better to have the right call.

Mean Mr. Mustard · 10-24-2004, 03:37 PM

If it was about pride the team would have shown up for the first half, hell there were some games this season which to be honest with you I didn't see any pride from the team whatsoever. They played a poor first half, and it shouldn't come down to a ref missing a call and blaiming it on that. Sure there was a missed call, but the Stamps put themselves in a position where a missed call could be important, and refs are not able to see anything (I know when I was refing I wouldn't see things). If the goal is to get instant replay, I think that already is going to happen, but I don't see any real point to bitching about a game that doesn't matter.

calf · 10-24-2004, 04:00 PM

I can totally agree with you about how the Stamps should have shown up in the first half and how they put themselves in that position where it came down to the last play - that's actually partly how I feel about it.

However, like ken said, it's important that the league has refs that can do their job (being in position for trick plays that are known to happen at that point in the game). These guys are professionals and shouldn't screw up as much as they do during the course of the season - and should know the game inside out - that they should realize that the onside kick does happen on last plays of the game a few times during the season.

As well, aside from the fact that it came down to the last play - the Stamps and Lions played a close game - and the team with the most points wins...and sometimes during close football games it does come down to the last play of the game. It shouldn't be won or lost because the refs screwed up. And winning's important to teams, whether or not it's a nothing game...winning is always #1 in professional sports, no matter the situation.

Resolute 14 · 10-24-2004, 08:27 PM

Very eloquent MMM, but that does not change the fact that the Stampeders won the game.

JayP · 10-24-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Oct 24 2004, 09:37 PM
If it was about pride the team would have shown up for the first half, hell there were some games this season which to be honest with you I didn't see any pride from the team whatsoever. They played a poor first half, and it shouldn't come down to a ref missing a call and blaiming it on that. Sure there was a missed call, but the Stamps put themselves in a position where a missed call could be important, and refs are not able to see anything (I know when I was refing I wouldn't see things). If the goal is to get instant replay, I think that already is going to happen, but I don't see any real point to bitching about a game that doesn't matter.

I keep people make this argument and still just as useless as the first time I read it.

The Calgary Stampeders scored 23 points. The B.C. Lions scored 19 points.

When and how those points came on the board has no bearing. Calgary could have scored 23 points in the last 2 minutes and the fact would still remain - Calgary beat B.C.

All this crap about "not putting yourself in that position" is garbage. Every game between the two teams has been down to the wire. Why in this game should Calgary be sporting a huge lead all of a sudden when neither of the other two games were like that? Hell, why doesn't Calgary just score 50 points in the 1st half of every game so there's no chance that we get screwed at the end?

The Stamps lose a major marketing strategy from this "loss". If we beat Winnipeg next Friday you would definitely see a lot of reference to the addition of Khari and the 3-0 record. 2 out of 3 ain't bad probably isn't going to cut it for a marketing strategy.

browna · 10-24-2004, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by JayP@Oct 24 2004, 09:03 PM
2 out of 3 ain't bad probably isn't going to cut it for a marketing strategy.

Worked for Meatloaf as a song!

And MMM, if the Lions are so great, the all powerful Lions should've never been in such a piosition against the lowly Stamps themselves to get beaten by one play.

If this game meant anything to Edmonton or the standings in the west, I'm thinking the CFL would've taken a closer look at this.

calgaryred · 10-24-2004, 10:22 PM

The win won't be over turned it has never happened in professional sports that I know of. I do hope this helps the stamps get their frustrations out on the Bombers though.

Mean Mr. Mustard · 10-24-2004, 11:06 PM

I am actually a Stamps fan, but this makes them look somewhat petty actaully. You know what, everyone realizes you got screwed, but I don't think that trying to reverse the score of the game a week after the fact does anything for the league. In fact if anything did happen it would just make the CFL look like a bush league in my view, and that isn't what I want. Petition the CFL to look into instant replay (I don't know if it would work well though due to coverage being spotty at best up here, unlike the NFL).

I think the Stamps did deserve the win, but right now the only difference is a 5 and 12 record or a 4 and 12 record, I don't know to many people that would say, wow 5 and 12, that is really good, hell I don't know if I would show up if it was 4 and 12. I don't see the point in it. And I have seen this Stamps team all year, and they are completely lacking pride in their game, and often times for good reason as this is one of the worst teams the stamps have put on the field in years (obviously).

calf · 10-24-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Oct 24 2004, 11:06 PM
Petition the CFL to look into instant replay (I don't know if it would work well though due to coverage being spotty at best up here, unlike the NFL).

The CFL is bringing in instant replay next year. I'm sure that with the network deals, the sponsorships and increased attendance, the league can put in the cash to get enough cameras around each stadium - plus, they'll be able to use the TSN, SNet and CBC cameras that are kicking around as well since all games are televised nowadays

Cowboy · 10-24-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Oct 24 2004, 11:06 PM
I am actually a Stamps fan, but this makes them look somewhat petty actaully. You know what, everyone realizes you got screwed, but I don't think that trying to reverse the score of the game a week after the fact does anything for the league. In fact if anything did happen it would just make the CFL look like a bush league in my view, and that isn't what I want. Petition the CFL to look into instant replay (I don't know if it would work well though due to coverage being spotty at best up here, unlike the NFL).

I think the Stamps did deserve the win, but right now the only difference is a 5 and 12 record or a 4 and 12 record, I don't know to many people that would say, wow 5 and 12, that is really good, hell I don't know if I would show up if it was 4 and 12. I don't see the point in it. And I have seen this Stamps team all year, and they are completely lacking pride in their game, and often times for good reason as this is one of the worst teams the stamps have put on the field in years (obviously).

Fair enough but I think people would also remember how they went 3-0 at the end of the season,

KevanGuy · 10-25-2004, 12:31 AM

I don't think it is petty at all. They are doing their part to make the refs accountable for a horribly blown call. If the Stamps didnt complain it is possible the League might not even look into things. Now it forces them to at least acknowldge that something happened and hopsfully they will find a solution that will help curb blown calls like that.

the-rasta-masta · 10-25-2004, 07:48 AM

I don't see why they won't overturn it. I could see them standing pat if it was a call midway through the game, but this was in the last play of the game. They should change it and I don't know what reason they could find not to.

troutman · 10-25-2004, 10:55 AM

Dowbiggen criticizes Dunigan in the paper today for not warning the refs about the trick play. I thought I heard on QR77 after the game that Dunigan did tell the refs to watch for it. ???

octothorp · 10-25-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by troutman@Oct 25 2004, 09:55 AM
Dowbiggen criticizes Dunigan in the paper today for not warning the refs about the trick play. I thought I heard on QR77 after the game that Dunigan did tell the refs to watch for it. ???

Yeah, from what I heard, he warned the refs about it before the game, but didn't mention it right before the play. And to me, that's all you should need to do. What's the point of running a suprise play when you have to call the refs over and advise them of it? Obviously, the opposition is going to realize something is up. If he did, infact, tell the refs about it before the game, they should have realized that the last play of the game was exactly the time they would be likely to run it.

That said, while the Stamps definitely should challenge just on principle, I'm not sure I would want the league to overturn the decision. Sets a really dangerous precident.

calgaryred · 10-25-2004, 11:47 AM

I can't see the league overturning the refs decision. If they did it would undermine their job and the league would lose so much credibilty. It has a hardtime as it is to be taken seriously in most sports minded critics. I agree that the Stamps should launch a protest cause it does make the league take a serious look at their refrees and realize the game is getting better but the refs are not. The non-call against the brutual closeline tackle that wasn't called weeks ago in the hamilton winnipeg game (I think it was this game) really made head office upset with the refereeing. I hope this complaint will address the refs even more so, last year the refrees were screwing up and the CFL weren't doing anything about it. It's funny how in one year that has totally changed.