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Old 05-08-2006, 11:20 PM   #1
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Thumbs down 91 year old man gets beaten like a red-headed stepchild! Disgusting!

Did anyone hear on the news where that 91 year old man in Ottawa got robbed in a home invasion? It was a disgusting display of cowardice. Makes me wish Canada had better gun laws. 4-5 guys came in and beat him, and he fought like hell.
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Old 05-08-2006, 11:27 PM   #2
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I've always been very glad things like this haven't happen too my family, not because of selfish reasons but rather because I'm the kind of guy who punches holes in walls or goes on rampages through the home over my computer mouse simply not working (happened the other day), If something like this happened I'd be in full out rage mode kill what ever I see for god knows how long, for the good of everybody I'm glad things like this don't happen too me.

On a side-note those *******s should be shot and anything horrible that happens to them is fully deserved.
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Did anyone hear on the news where that 91 year old man in Ottawa got robbed in a home invasion? It was a disgusting display of cowardice. Makes me wish Canada had better gun laws. 4-5 guys came in and beat him, and he fought like hell.
What "better" gun laws do you think would have made a difference in this case?
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What "better" gun laws do you think would have made a difference in this case?
I think Rifleman is pro-howitzer.

The last thing we need is more guns lying around the house. Now cue the "I need a gun to protect myself" rhetoric
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:17 AM   #5
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What's wrong with having a gun in your home so you can protect yourself? What business is it of yours if I do?
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:53 AM   #6
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I've always been very glad things like this haven't happen too my family, not because of selfish reasons but rather because I'm the kind of guy who punches holes in walls or goes on rampages through the home over my computer mouse simply not working (happened the other day), If something like this happened I'd be in full out rage mode kill what ever I see for god knows how long, for the good of everybody I'm glad things like this don't happen too me.

On a side-note those *******s should be shot and anything horrible that happens to them is fully deserved.
Maybe I shouldnt pry Homer...but maybe you ought to talk to someone about your rages before someone or something gets seriously hurt...including yourself.
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:54 AM   #7
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What's wrong with having a gun in your home so you can protect yourself? What business is it of yours if I do?
Well its my business if someone breaks in and steals the gun then uses it to kill one of my family members!
Would or should that make you an accomplice?
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:14 AM   #8
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Only if you agree that you are liable if someone gets drunk and steals your car and kills someone that YOU are liable. Perhaps an accomplice?

See where silly arguments get you?

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Old 05-09-2006, 08:23 AM   #9
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Only if you agree that you are liable if someone gets drunk and steals your car and kills someone that YOU are liable. Perhaps an accomplice?

See where silly arguments get you?

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Im afraid thats something you are incapable of.
When automobiles are registered with the government as dangerous weapons Ill consider your explanation. Until then ANY weapon other than those used by farmers for pest control is a weapon that needs to be destroyed. I dont buy the simplistic version of needing a weapon that you seem to have.
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:25 AM   #10
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Only if you agree that you are liable if someone gets drunk and steals your car and kills someone that YOU are liable. Perhaps an accomplice?

See where silly arguments get you?

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a law was just passed that if you have a party and some drunk idoit gets in his car and kills someone, you are just a liable as him
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:28 AM   #11
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a law was just passed that if you have a party and some drunk idoit gets in his car and kills someone, you are just a liable as him
Um, you have that backwards I'm afraid. The lawsuit was just dismissed.
Party hosts not responsible for guests who drive drunk, high court rules
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Um, you have that backwards I'm afraid. The lawsuit was just dismissed.
Party hosts not responsible for guests who drive drunk, high court rules
hum I could have sowrn I herd it got passed, but I guess I just herd wrong, thanks for the update
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I think the issue of guns solving this is probably moot anyways. How likely is it that the man; likely a grandfather or great grandfather; would feel the need to have his gun ready and able to use? It's not like the previously mentioned farmer who keeps a gun somewhat handy in case a coyote goes after his chickens.

I mean really; I'm 35 and I often can't remember where I put my car keys, and I use them every day. What are the odds that a 91 year old man will remember where he put the gun 10 years ago.
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:40 AM   #14
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What "better" gun laws do you think would have made a difference in this case?
Canada's self defense laws are very backwards, they've got an "equal to" policy which allows you only to use the same force which the attacker is using.

So if you're getting beaten with a bat, you're allowed to use one too. But if you're getting punched, you can be charged if you defend yourself with a weapon such as a knife.

Even holding a criminal at bay with a firearm can get your charged (even without discharging your firearm).

"no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself" this line in the criminal code is also a very fine line to walk. How much is too much? If you are being killed and you feel your life is threatened, how much force are you going to use.
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:52 AM   #15
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I don't want to start a big gun debate but I suppose I will.
I am a responsible gun owner/user. I have two (sometimes more) guns in my home that I use for hunting (a rifle and a shot gun). But as far as having a gun to protect your family or your home, I don't buy it, and I doubt it is even effective.
Firstly, the law states that your gun must be locked up (eiter in a case or with a trigger lock), and that the ammunition has to be kept in a seperate locked location. I think these laws are fine, and quite frankly something that shouldn't have to be a law, it should be common sense to any responsible gun owner. So if someone is breaking into your house, is it feasible that you'll be able to get to your guns, unlock them, get the ammuntion and load your gun in time to protect anything? Probably not. So guns that are properly stored are pretty much useless for this purpose. If you've got a loaded .44 under your pillow then sure it'll probalby do you some good, but what kind of risk is that?

Anyway, all that being said, I'm all for responsible gun ownership, I think the longgun registry is a waste of money and effort, and I think owning a gun simply because you think it's a good way to protect your family is stupid.
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I don't want to start a big gun debate but I suppose I will.
I am a responsible gun owner/user. I have two (sometimes more) guns in my home that I use for hunting (a rifle and a shot gun). But as far as having a gun to protect your family or your home, I don't buy it, and I doubt it is even effective.
Firstly, the law states that your gun must be locked up (eiter in a case or with a trigger lock), and that the ammunition has to be kept in a seperate locked location. I think these laws are fine, and quite frankly something that shouldn't have to be a law, it should be common sense to any responsible gun owner. So if someone is breaking into your house, is it feasible that you'll be able to get to your guns, unlock them, get the ammuntion and load your gun in time to protect anything? Probably not. So guns that are properly stored are pretty much useless for this purpose. If you've got a loaded .44 under your pillow then sure it'll probalby do you some good, but what kind of risk is that?

Anyway, all that being said, I'm all for responsible gun ownership, I think the longgun registry is a waste of money and effort, and I think owning a gun simply because you think it's a good way to protect your family is stupid.
Couldn’t agree more, my family owns guns and my father puts an extreme amount of emphasis on being responsible with or around guns, he keeps them locked in a locker to which I don’t even know the code, and keeps the ammo in a separate safe we go hunting occasionally and every since I was a kid its “never take the safety off until you have a shot and its safe to shoot” or “Always point a gun to the ground when you aren’t using it” him and I would never think that are guns would help us if someone broke into our home, as long as you are responsible about it guns are fine but not as a means for protection
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Old 05-09-2006, 09:04 AM   #17
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Im afraid thats something you are incapable of.
When automobiles are registered with the government as dangerous weapons Ill consider your explanation. Until then ANY weapon other than those used by farmers for pest control is a weapon that needs to be destroyed. I dont buy the simplistic version of needing a weapon that you seem to have.
So you are for destroying all knives? How about baseball bats?
I mean why not?

Guns aren't registered as 'deadly weapons' anywhere. They are registered as guns. You know, kind of like cars are registered as cars.
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Old 05-09-2006, 09:06 AM   #18
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a law was just passed that if you have a party and some drunk idoit gets in his car and kills someone, you are just a liable as him
Actually, that lawsuit was ruled against by the supreme court, so it is just the very opposite of what you said.
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Old 05-09-2006, 09:10 AM   #19
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I don't want to start a big gun debate but I suppose I will.
I am a responsible gun owner/user. I have two (sometimes more) guns in my home that I use for hunting (a rifle and a shot gun). But as far as having a gun to protect your family or your home, I don't buy it, and I doubt it is even effective.
Firstly, the law states that your gun must be locked up (eiter in a case or with a trigger lock), and that the ammunition has to be kept in a seperate locked location. I think these laws are fine, and quite frankly something that shouldn't have to be a law, it should be common sense to any responsible gun owner. So if someone is breaking into your house, is it feasible that you'll be able to get to your guns, unlock them, get the ammuntion and load your gun in time to protect anything? Probably not. So guns that are properly stored are pretty much useless for this purpose. If you've got a loaded .44 under your pillow then sure it'll probalby do you some good, but what kind of risk is that?

Anyway, all that being said, I'm all for responsible gun ownership, I think the longgun registry is a waste of money and effort, and I think owning a gun simply because you think it's a good way to protect your family is stupid.
Sure, but you could use it if you wanted to. What really get's my panties in a twist is people tellign me that I should not be able to.

That's scary stuff in my opinion. Not everyone has t liek guns, but to tell me what I am able to own one for is a police-state mentality.
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White Doors, can you name a use for a gun besides inflicting harm on a living being?

Knives- I use them every day to prepare dinner.
Cars- I use them every day as a means of transportation
Baseball Bats- OK, not every day- but most of the time I use them to play sports.

The thing is almost anything in the world could be used as a weapon. For that matter a pillow could be used as a weapon; even if it's a feather pillow.

Guns on the other hand have one purpose. And when used for their intended purpose they kill things.
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