06-07-2021, 01:08 PM
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Bill C-10 - All shall be the CBC!
Thought this warranted its own thread, since what is proposed in Bill C-10 stands to greatly impact the whole internet in Canada. If it needs to stay in the Federal Politics thread, please move it, and my apologies.
Link to the latest published version of the Bill is here: https://parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/43.../first-reading
The "Command Broadcaster Content" (CBC, as I call it - see what I did there?) section is below (Act refers to the Broadcast Act)
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7 The Act is amended by adding the following after section 9:
Conditions
9.#1 (1) The Commission may, in furtherance of its objects, make orders imposing conditions on the carrying on of broadcasting undertakings that the Commission considers appropriate for the implementation of the broadcasting policy set out in subsection 3(1), including conditions respecting
(a) the proportion of programs to be broadcast that shall be Canadian programs and the proportion of time that shall be devoted to the broadcasting of Canadian programs;
(b) the presentation of programs for selection by the public, including the discoverability of Canadian programs;
(c) a requirement for a person carrying on a broadcasting undertaking, other than an online undertaking, to obtain the approval of the Commission before entering into any contract with a telecommunications common carrier, as defined in the Telecommunications Act, for the distribution of programming directly to the public;
(d) a requirement for a person carrying on a distribution undertaking to give priority to the carriage of broadcasting;
(e) a requirement for a person carrying on a distribution undertaking to carry, on the terms and conditions that the Commission considers appropriate, programming services specified by the Commission;
(f) terms and conditions of service in contracts between distribution undertakings and their subscribers;
(g) access by persons with disabilities to programming, including the identification, prevention and removal of barriers to such access;
(h) the carriage of emergency messages;
(i) the provision to the Commission, by corporations that are licensees or that are persons exempt from the requirement to hold a licence under an order made under subsection 9(4), of information related to (i) the ownership, governance and control of those corporations, and
(ii) the affiliation of those corporations with any affiliates carrying on broadcasting undertakings; and
(j) the provision to the Commission, by persons carrying on broadcasting undertakings, of any other information that the Commission considers necessary for the administration of this Act, including (i) financial or commercial information,
(ii) information related to programming,
(iii) information related to expenditures made under section 11.#1,
(iv) information related to audience measurement, other than information that could identify any individual audience member, and
(v) other information related to the provision of broadcasting services.
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Any legal minds want to comment?
Seems to me that the Government isn't outright banning any content, but will command websites that constitute a broadcast undertaking to favour some content over others (thereby suppressing some content), and to set conditions on licenses, as well as provide whatever information it wants. The last seems particularly insidious since no doubt it allows Government to demographically profile audiences. It seems impossible that it won't use such information to run targeted political ads. Would an opposition party have access to such data?
Surely internet content praising the government is Canadian content that must be "prioritized" No?
I am reading this wrong? It's atrocious.
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06-07-2021, 01:13 PM
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Rushing through a gag order usually means it's a totally fair bill with no flaws. Yup
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06-07-2021, 01:16 PM
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Just scrolled through CBCs news section, not a peep on this bill.
WEIRD
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06-07-2021, 01:24 PM
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Such a pretty girl!
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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds
Just scrolled through CBCs news section, not a peep on this bill.
WEIRD
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https://www.google.com/search?lr=&hl...w=1487&bih=803
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06-07-2021, 01:27 PM
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Appropriate username.
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06-07-2021, 01:29 PM
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Hopefully the senate gives this a big spike back to the house.
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06-07-2021, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzz
hopefully the senate gives this a big spike back to the house.
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lol
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06-07-2021, 01:33 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
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The Broadcast Policy for Canada is set-out in 3(1):
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...1.html#h-34144
- (d) the Canadian broadcasting system should
- (i) serve to safeguard, enrich and strengthen the cultural, political, social and economic fabric of Canada,
- (ii) encourage the development of Canadian expression by providing a wide range of programming that reflects Canadian attitudes, opinions, ideas, values and artistic creativity, by displaying Canadian talent in entertainment programming and by offering information and analysis concerning Canada and other countries from a Canadian point of view,
- (iii) through its programming and the employment opportunities arising out of its operations, serve the needs and interests, and reflect the circumstances and aspirations, of Canadian men, women and children, including equal rights, the linguistic duality and multicultural and multiracial nature of Canadian society and the special place of aboriginal peoples within that society, and
- (iv) be readily adaptable to scientific and technological change;
(f) each broadcasting undertaking shall make maximum use, and in no case less than predominant use, of Canadian creative and other resources in the creation and presentation of programming, unless the nature of the service provided by the undertaking, such as specialized content or format or the use of languages other than French and English, renders that use impracticable, in which case the undertaking shall make the greatest practicable use of those resources;
This seems like what the CRTC does with TV and Radio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcasting_Act_(Canada)
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On 3 November 2020, Minister of Canadian Heritage Steven Guilbeault proposed legislation to update the Act to account for the increased prominence of internet video and digital media, acting upon the urgent recommendations by the Review Panel to add internet undertakings to the regulatory oversight of the CRTC.[9][10]
Bill C-10 has faced mixed responses. Critics of the proposed legislation have argued that it vests an incredible amount of power to the CRTC, who are unelected regulators and receive very little guidance from Parliament or the government.[11] University of Ottawa professor Michael Geist acknowledged that the bill removes a number of long-standing policies from the Act that were intended to protect Canada's broadcasting system, including the requirement that all broadcasters be Canadian-owned and controlled, and the expectation that broadcasters make "maximum use, and in no case less than predominant use" of Canadian talent in programming, [12][13][10]
The removal of an exception for user-generated content on social media from the bill has also faced criticism for potentially enabling internet censorship; former CRTC commissioner Peter Menzies stated that "granting a government agency authority over legal user generated content — particularly when backed up by the government’s musings about taking down websites — doesn’t just infringe on free expression, it constitutes a full-blown assault upon it and, through it, the foundations of democracy." Minister of Heritage Steven Guilbeault stated that Bill C-10 was intended to cover "professional series, films, and music", and argued that the bill included "safeguards" to protect individual users.[14] Some critics have also argued that the intent of the bill was to allow a regulatory framework for the removal of copyright infringing content.[14]
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06-07-2021, 01:34 PM
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I added the Canada tag to my Twitch streams, I expect every Canadian on the internet to be forced to watch me play CK3, Bannerlord and Solasta at least once a week.
Sarcasm, but I did add the tag to help with discovery seeing this bill come down the pipeline.
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06-07-2021, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by troutman
The Broadcast Policy for Canada is set-out in 3(1):
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...1.html#h-34144
- (d) the Canadian broadcasting system should
- (i) serve to safeguard, enrich and strengthen the cultural, political, social and economic fabric of Canada,
- (ii) encourage the development of Canadian expression by providing a wide range of programming that reflects Canadian attitudes, opinions, ideas, values and artistic creativity, by displaying Canadian talent in entertainment programming and by offering information and analysis concerning Canada and other countries from a Canadian point of view,
- (iii) through its programming and the employment opportunities arising out of its operations, serve the needs and interests, and reflect the circumstances and aspirations, of Canadian men, women and children, including equal rights, the linguistic duality and multicultural and multiracial nature of Canadian society and the special place of aboriginal peoples within that society, and
- (iv) be readily adaptable to scientific and technological change;
(f) each broadcasting undertaking shall make maximum use, and in no case less than predominant use, of Canadian creative and other resources in the creation and presentation of programming, unless the nature of the service provided by the undertaking, such as specialized content or format or the use of languages other than French and English, renders that use impracticable, in which case the undertaking shall make the greatest practicable use of those resources;
This seems like what the CRTC does with TV and Radio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcasting_Act_(Canada)
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I guess many countries will have some sort of policy governing broadcasting, but this gives my the creeps. Somewhere, is there some document laying out what "Canadian Attitudes" are? I would have thought that freedom of expression and free markets, if not absolute rights, were still a "Canadian Attitude" apparently the Government attitude differs.
I really can't believe this.
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06-07-2021, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
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Today is a big day for news on this bill.
As I said, a scroll through their news page today shows nothing.
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06-07-2021, 02:08 PM
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Such a pretty girl!
Join Date: Jan 2004
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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds
Today is a big day for news on this bill.
As I said, a scroll through their news page today shows nothing.
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Okay, I just checked other major news sites, also don't find anything.
There's only one article google can find from the last 24hrs, on globalnews. Oh, and on Castanet that thankfully it won't impact porn LOL
https://www.google.com/search?q=bill...ih=803&dpr=1.1
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06-07-2021, 02:17 PM
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Its pretty fresh so maybe something comes on later.
But I won't be surprised if not.
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06-07-2021, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
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Last article was May 15...
If you solely read / watched the CBC in the past 3 weeks, you would have no idea C-10 is being shoved down Canadian throats.
In comparison CBC has invoked "Harper government" a government not in power in over 6 years 5 times since May 15.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22h...h1QMIDg&uact=5
Last edited by Firebot; 06-07-2021 at 02:28 PM.
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06-07-2021, 02:33 PM
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Such a pretty girl!
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Originally Posted by Firebot
Last article was May 15...
If you solely read / watched the CBC in the past 3 weeks, you would have no idea C-10 is being shoved down Canadian throats.
In comparison CBC has invoked "Harper government" a government not in power in over 6 years 5 times since May 15.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22h...h1QMIDg&uact=5
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The issue was there was nothing currently posted today, that's as far as I'm taking that argument. Not going down the wormhole of what the cbc is or is not.
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06-07-2021, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
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https://www.google.com/search?q=bill...cd_max%3A&tbm=
CBC since May 16 on "C-10" doesn't even pull C-10, but pulls bills like C-218 and C-5
Oh wait there is one article about C-10 since May 16.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gre...ebec-1.6042801
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On a number of files — the protection of the French language, Quebec's plans to make changes to the Constitution and Bill C-10, a piece of legislation with broad support within the province — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has struck a pose of openness to Quebec.
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You can't even make it up about the CBC and it's blatant partisanship and censorship.
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06-07-2021, 02:41 PM
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Norm!
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Yup, the Bloc got their right to change the constitution, the Libs got the right to ram this bill through, after fighting any attempts by the opposition to re-insert the original text that protected content from regulation.
Michael Griest has been all over this, former CRTC regulators have blasted this as a violation of rights.
The Liberals are in a god awful hurry to get this through before the spring session ends with an election in the fall. They've already put aside the funds to execute this when it passes.
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06-07-2021, 03:19 PM
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06-07-2021, 03:42 PM
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It’s pretty clear that traditional broadcasters and media like the CBC strongly support the bill. It’s also clear that by burying a story with big implications for Canadians they’re demonstrating that they don’t have the public’s interests at heart.
Bill C-10 might slip in under the radar of most Canadians, but when its effects on content become evident voters will not be happy. Repealing the bill will be an easy political win for whoever forms the next federal government.
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06-07-2021, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
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but it will impact porn.
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