CNN This Morning

[Patek23]

So this morning I was watching CNN and it had a group of people from the militatry who were having a video conversation with good old GW, I normally keep my mouth shut about US politics because my knowledge is minimal on the subject, but this was just too over the top.


It begins with the military woman speaking who was obviously place to "show" that the army embraces their military woman, she then begins the ass kissing on Bush and of course old GW can't help by fumbling and screwing it up by cutting her off every few moments with "smart" remarks. Then finally she goes on the political push and says (more like reads of the teleprompter) about how she has seen such a vast change in the moral in soldiers and she feels that they are on the brink of putting a complete end on the terrorism, suprisingly Bush is quite shocked that she brought this issue up, which oddly enough he had a whole speech written up to back up this question.....what a surprise, is CNN always this bad with all the propaganda I almost wanted to puke when I watched this.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer@Oct 13 2005, 06:55 PM
So this morning I was watching CNN and it had a group of people from the militatry who were having a video conversation with good old GW, I normally keep my mouth shut about US politics because my knowledge is minimal on the subject, but this was just too over the top.


It begins with the military woman speaking who was obviously place to "show" that the army embraces their military woman, she then begins the ass kissing on Bush and of course old GW can't help by fumbling and screwing it up by cutting her off every few moments with "smart" remarks. Then finally she goes on the political push and says (more like reads of the teleprompter) about how she has seen such a vast change in the moral in soldiers and she feels that they are on the brink of putting a complete end on the terrorism, suprisingly Bush is quite shocked that she brought this issue up, which oddly enough he had a whole speech written up to back up this question.....what a surprise, is CNN always this bad with all the propaganda I almost wanted to puke when I watched this.

Many people would call CNN left-of-centre, and not an 'ardent' supporter of the War in Iraq.

These are the shots that the administration sets up or 'publishes', and GW is someone people want to see. If this is the footage they can get their hands on, then that's the way it is.

[troutman]

Normally, the Right accuses CNN of left-wing liberal bias.

[RougeUnderoos]

If I've learned one thing from these political debates, and I haven't, it's that Cowperson's mantra of roughly "if they are p*ssing off both sides, they are probably right in the middle" seems to be correct.

CNN does that.

Anyhow, it was a staged media event involving the President. If they didn't show it, they really wouldn't be doing their job. I don't agree with the message either, but you are shooting the messenger.

[Cowperson]

Go to google and type in "CNN left wing bias."

Then go to google and type in "CNN right wing bias"

You'll find an impressive list on both counts.

As Rouge noted, I really don't take either side seriously. Its a bit of a comedy actually.

Cowperson

[Frank the Tank]

I am right-handed, yet I shoot a hockey puck, swing a baseball bat and swing a golf club left. Weird eh?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Go on about your business.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Oct 13 2005, 07:05 PM
I am right-handed, yet I shoot a hockey puck, swing a baseball bat and swing a golf club left. Weird eh?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Go on about your business.

Same here

[Mike Oxlong]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Oct 13 2005, 07:05 PM
I am right-handed, yet I shoot a hockey puck, swing a baseball bat and swing a golf club left. Weird eh?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Go on about your business.

I write with my left hand, throw with my right and play hockey and golf right handed.

Somethings I do with my right and left hand.....depends what kind of mood I am in.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Oct 13 2005, 01:05 PM
I am right-handed, yet I shoot a hockey puck, swing a baseball bat and swing a golf club left. Weird eh?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Go on about your business.

I've got you beat.

I'm right-handed, but shoot left, bat right, and golf...well, I'm not sure. I golf right because I use right-handed clubs, but I still haven't decided if swinging a golfclub is more similar to hockey or baseball. I'm leaning towards baseball.

Actually, I could probably be a switch-hitter if I put some effort into it. I can't for the life of me shoot right, though.

[Wookie]

Originally posted by Mike Oxlong@Oct 13 2005, 01:26 PM
I write with my left hand, throw with my right and play hockey and golf right handed.

Somethings I do with my right and left hand.....depends what kind of mood I am in.

Weird, I'm just like that, and I always though I was a little messed up.. I catch and throw with the same hand.. well neither feel better, actually I can't do either very well so maybe I do both with neither

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I am writing a discertation on the neo-conservative movement/agenda and find the media a very interesting creature. The media have been an enabler in the neo-con movement, for certain, but the political balance in the press has been a smoke screen for over 30 years. Where the media sits in the political spectrum depends on the political ideals of the viewer more than it does of those working in the indistry itself. Unless you are working for a blatantly obvious outlet, like Fox News, it really depends on your political leanings and the topic at hand.

One thing that should be noted is that in the past five years the media has not conducted much journalism. The media has been fed what to broadcast and manipulated into shaping a message by the corporations that own them. The combination of corporate greed, political power from the White House, and the chase of higher ratings has crippled journalism in America. Christiane Amanpour said as much when she outlined in a bit on PBS. She said the White House has bullied the media and utilized corporate connections in each network to shape the message. The present administration has not been given a free pass by the media, they have manufactured their own and given the story only to those who will play ball. This is why Fox News breaks the most stories, why MSNBC and CNN have both shifted toward the Fox News broadcast style, and why the present administration is trying to kill NPR and PBS. What a wonderfully facist country we live in!

[transplant99]

Where the media sits in the political spectrum depends on the political ideals of the viewer more than it does of those working in the indistry itself

You are just realizing this now???

[ricosuave]

'news' is just another word for the phrase 'spoon fed information that the government wants you to digest'

canada AND in the US

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 13 2005, 11:33 PM

You are just realizing this now???

No, I was just pointing it out for those arguing the bias angle. Media is biased, but no more so than the person who is watching. Depending on where you sit the media is going to have a different orientation than the next guy sees. But if you wish to observe the centerline, it has indeed shifted and has gone further to the right, giving the impression that the established media was left leaning, which it was not.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer@Oct 13 2005, 06:55 PM
So this morning I was watching CNN and it had a group of people from the militatry who were having a video conversation with good old GW, I normally keep my mouth shut about US politics because my knowledge is minimal on the subject, but this was just too over the top.


It begins with the military woman speaking who was obviously place to "show" that the army embraces their military woman, she then begins the ass kissing on Bush and of course old GW can't help by fumbling and screwing it up by cutting her off every few moments with "smart" remarks. Then finally she goes on the political push and says (more like reads of the teleprompter) about how she has seen such a vast change in the moral in soldiers and she feels that they are on the brink of putting a complete end on the terrorism, suprisingly Bush is quite shocked that she brought this issue up, which oddly enough he had a whole speech written up to back up this question.....what a surprise, is CNN always this bad with all the propaganda I almost wanted to puke when I watched this.

Actually, I was surfing earlier, and from what I understood, CNN had actually got video tape of George Bush and the several soldiers rehearsing. I don't think the US meant for that video to get leaked.

[Lurch]

No, I was just pointing it out for those arguing the bias angle. Media is biased, but no more so than the person who is watching. Depending on where you sit the media is going to have a different orientation than the next guy sees. But if you wish to observe the centerline, it has indeed shifted and has gone further to the right, giving the impression that the established media was left leaning, which it was not.

How is this statement even possible? Bias is in the eye of the beholder, but if the beholder is not biased, the bias is now shifting right? Your premise defeats your conclusion in that I doubt you are unbiased.

[transplant99]

Agreed lurch

People love to trot out the "government controls the media" line all the time.

It simply and clearly isnt so.

Does the government try and control WHAT the media gets a hold of? Of course they do...EVERYWHERE. It's called damage control. All private businesses/citizens are quite adapt and capable of doing it as well.

To suggest that there is a massive conspiracy that allows some secret government agency to tell CNN or FOX or anyone else, what they can or can not broadcast, is so ridiculous it's funny.

A good jornalistic orginization is the one that goes deeper and uncovers the truth as supported by facts/memos/informants, and can substantiate what they say.

Too funny that anyone can get up in arms because a leader of a country was setting up a photo-op/staged scene.

It happens all the time, everywhere in the world. Hell, in Canada its a long living tradition.

Ask Martin about his "speech" when addressing the Gomery inquiry a few months back. It was so transparent it was ridiculous. The fact that media outlets covered it, doesn't make it any less so. It's what they do AFTER the fact that seperates the good from the bad.

[MarchHare]

To suggest that there is a massive conspiracy that allows some secret government agency to tell CNN or FOX or anyone else, what they can or can not broadcast, is so ridiculous it's funny.

Yes and no. While they haven't outright censored any media company, they're certainly doing what they can to limit freedom of the press as much as possible if reporters would paint the administration in a less-than-flattering light. Take a look at what happened to Helen Thomas. She's the longest-serving member of the White House Press Corps, and by tradition she was always afforded the first question after any news conference. In the lead-up to the Iraq war, though, the Bush administration didn't like the tough questions she was asking, so they moved her from her choice front-row seat to the back of the room and rarely if ever take her questions anymore. The message sent is clear: if the press doesn't play ball with this administration, they'll lose their precious access. The White House has essentially neutred American journalists.

And that's not even getting into the whole Jeff Gannon fiasco.

[transplant99]

if the press doesn't play ball with this administration, they'll lose their precious access. The White House has essentially neutred American journalists.

Been that way for ever. Through all administrations. This is just the "Bush gang", so it automatically equates to being some sort of evil conspiracy.

Neutered journalists? How so? Because they dont sit in the front row anymore?

Sheesh.

[MarchHare]

Been that way for ever. Through all administrations. This is just the "Bush gang", so it automatically equates to being some sort of evil conspiracy.

You are aware of how much respect Thomas had within the ranks of the White House Press Corps, right? It's not like she's some left-wing hack out to demonize conservatives; she certainly didn't get this kind of treatment at the hands of previous Republican administrations -- heck, Nixon even brought her to China (making her the only female journalist to report that historic visit, no less). What the Bush admin did to her is nothing less than a partisan censoring of the press.

And it's hardly been this bad forever. I don't remember Clinton refusing to allow questions from Fox reporters...

Neutered journalists? How so? Because they dont sit in the front row anymore?

Because they're not even allowed to ask questions anymore! How is a journalist supposed to do his or her job if the only material they have is what Bush or McClellan spoon-feed them?