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Old 01-29-2015, 09:10 AM   #1
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nice graphs - you must have had a fun evening or two......
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Old 01-29-2015, 09:57 AM   #3
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To me, our monthly corsi/fenwick results show how much those stats are skewed by whether you're winning or losing. I remain unconvinced that these stats tell you much about a team. Perhaps individual players within a team (like +/-).
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advanced stats from last game:

Flames score 4
Buffalo score 1

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Flames > Buffalo
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I wish I knew what all this meant
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lol i'm in the same boat.
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In these cases, the simple explanation for Corsi and Fenwick is that the teams with the higher percentages took more shots toward goal relative to their opponents. That roughly correlates to possessing the puck more often. The PDO stat is simply shooting percentage + save percentage. Bingo can confirm, but I am presuming these are looking at 5 on 5 play only.
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Old 01-29-2015, 11:10 AM   #9
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Conclusion : Flames seem to be in opposite world this season, but that does not seem to be leading to any sort of regression. A one year sample size is not very good, but they do need to work on improving these metrics to be perennial contenders.

Too early to tell if this a Colorado 2.0 and lets just enjoy the season for what it is.
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so Corsi and Fenwick being the same in December means they weren't blocking as many shots? Shows that blocking shots is one of our keys to winning i suppose
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so the flames don't have terrible advanced stats but they need to likely be above 50% for fenwick and corsi to be considered in the top of the league? Because that states that they are possessing the puck more.

So what teams right now are above 50% year to year? Can we find those stats somehow? This world of advanced stats is new to me so I don't even know where to begin looking.
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I kept looking for the Flames on the individual teams chart, because I thought it would show where we ranked among the other teams. Then I started to wonder why Buffalo and Edmonton were so high. Then I realized that those charts measure the Flames stats against those teams.
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I kept looking for the Flames on the individual teams chart, because I thought it would show where we ranked among the other teams. Then I started to wonder why Buffalo and Edmonton were so high. Then I realized that those charts measure the Flames stats against those teams.
Haha - me too! I was like "whoa, Edmonton's PDO is off the charts! How are they so bad??"

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I kept looking for the Flames on the individual teams chart, because I thought it would show where we ranked among the other teams. Then I started to wonder why Buffalo and Edmonton were so high. Then I realized that those charts measure the Flames stats against those teams.
When you look at the top 5 or so teams that the Flames have owned in possession ...

Buffalo - split season series but carried play in both - good indication
Rangers - lost only meeting, got behind big and they sat on it - bad indication
Toronto - outplayed the Leafs and lost in only meeting - good indication
Ottawa - outplayed the Sens and beat them - good indication
Montreal - split the series outplayed them in both - good indication

so in that regard you'd say this works well ... these are teams that the Flames have played well in 4 of 5 cases.

At the bottom the Flames have been run over by those teams so that works as well.
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so the flames don't have terrible advanced stats but they need to likely be above 50% for fenwick and corsi to be considered in the top of the league? Because that states that they are possessing the puck more.

So what teams right now are above 50% year to year? Can we find those stats somehow? This world of advanced stats is new to me so I don't even know where to begin looking.
Hockeyanalysis.com is good for what you are looking for:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php

You can look at multi-year trends as well. So for the last three completed seasons, the top teams in terms of CF+ are LA (55.9), Chicago (54.2), Boston (54.0) and Detroit (53.3). Calgary is 27th at 47.0, ahead of Edmonton, Buffalo and Toronto.
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yeah, that is what you keep telling me.
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January was the Flames best Corsi month

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Anyone else thought this was going to be advanced stats for CP members?

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Wanted to bump this thread to mention something I've been looking at for some time now.

One of the most common arguments (against advanced stats) I hear/read, once an individual has gotten to a point where they agree that a player spending more time in the offensive zone creating shots is better, is something along of the lines of : "Okay, but how can this data help a team improve/win?"

The first thing that pops into my head is player acquisition. Would a poor possession team improve by adding a possession-driving player? Perhaps. But trades are difficult and adding UFAs can only happen between seasons. What else?

For me, it's coaching, and specifically line combinations. Everyone knows that certain players player better with certain linemates. It doesn't take long to see the chemistry between Gaudreau/Hudler, or Giordano/Brodie. But can this chemistry be tracked statistically to be utilized when it may be less-than-obvious visually?

To illustrate, I looked at the combination of Giordano and Brodie over the past 1.5+ seasons. On the ice together, the Flames own 52.8% of the shot attempts, while most often starting in their own end, against the best players of the opposing team much of the time. On the ice with different partners, the Flames are under 47%. Gaudreau and Hudler are a similar story. This year, they are at 49% together but 44% with a different wing partner.

My thought was to find and exploit these numbers, in an attempt to optimize the lineup. The 12 forwards I used are the 12 in top total ice time, with Stajan (13th) replacing Granlund (10th) to match the current lineup. I attempted to only use tested combinations (minimum 50 minutes together) to get a decent sample size. If numbers for 2 linemates were similar, priority was given to a larger sample size. The reason I bring it up today is that tomorrow's projected lineup almost exactly mirrors mine.

Presenting,

The Flames' Corsi-Lineup

Gaudreau-Jooris-Hudler
Byron-Monahan-Colborne
Bouma-Backlund-Jones
Glencross-Stajan-Raymond

Comparing to tomorrow's projection, via SureLoss...
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Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler
Bouma-Backlund-Jones
Glencross-Stajan-Raymond
Byron-Jooris-Colborne
Jooris and Monahan are flipped, but the rest is exactly the same. There was some variability with the wingers of lines 2 and 4 (in my lineup), but this was optimal. Assuming 60 minutes of 5v5, I would give lines 1 and 2 about 17 minutes, and 13 for lines 3 and 4. With the amount of special teams played, total ice time for each player could be more or less the same as their current averages.

Did we need 'advanced' stats to get here? Maybe not, as Hartley has pretty much reached the same conclusion as me. But it's certainly nice to see the numbers back up the eye test.
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