Armchair GM thread

[Heavy Jack]

I haven't done an armchair GM in a while and thought it would be fun to create a thread dedicated to it. You can use the armchair GM from capgeek to get your roster just right! -- http://www.capgeek.com/flames/armchair-gm/

With the rumours of Gardiner possibly being available and Kulikov peaking Calgary's interest I have to admit that getting both of those 23 year olds on this team would be nothing short of amazing and something that the Flames should definitely be pursuing.

Kulikov being knowingly disgruntled and having been called out by the coaching staff + his possible flight risk status seemingly makes him an easier target to acquire. The Flames could try and turn a package with a prospect like Wotherspoon + Backlund + 3rd into Kulikov or something that is relevant to that. It is a somewhat steep price considering the variables surrounding Kulikov but he would be coming in to a bigger role and better market which could challenge more than the wasteland that is the Panthers. Swap a 5th as well for the 3rd and it looks close:

To Florida:
Wotherspoon
Backlund
3rd

To Calgary:
Kulikov
5th

Gardiner I think, with the Burke connection especially, might be a harder target to land. Something based around a center though would be what is ideal for them. Returning them Stajan isn't enough but Stajan + + MIGHT get it done depending on the + + . The Flames have a lot of D waiting in the wings so trading some of that depth along with swapping for a potential good pick in the 2nd round might get it done. Stajan + Breen + Cundari + 2nd round pick.

To Toronto:
Stajan
Breen
Cundari
2nd

To Calgary:
Gardiner
2nd

Now that leaves us with:

Giordano - Wideman
Kulikov - Gardiner
Smid- Russell
Brodie

At this point we need to look at moving out a top 4 guy that we currently have and even though I like the guy I say the Flames move Wideman to a team like NYR who is looking to add a top 4 D and it would allow them to deal Del Zotto a that point, the need for offense is also growing so I would include Cammalleri at half price to make the dollars work. So my third deal would be Wideman + Cammalleri at half price to NYR for Richards + a 1st round pick. We are relieving NYR of a contract they don't want, especially with the Lunqvist extension and even though the cap hit is big the Flames will need a contract or two like Richards going forward for a few years and with the dealings of Stajan + Backlund the need for a center to guide Monahan is there. The 1st is compensation for taking the worse contract, taking Cammy at half to make it work and helping NYR in two key areas.

To NYR:
Wideman
Cammalleri

To Calgary:
Richards
1st round pick

Line-up moving forward:
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Jiri Hudler ($4.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Sven Baertschi ($0.894m) / Sean Monahan ($0.925m) / Lee Stempniak ($2.500m)
Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Joe Colborne ($0.600m) / Lance Bouma ($0.578m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.250m) / Blair Jones ($0.650m) / Brian McGrattan ($0.750m)
Lane MacDermid ($0.660m) / Paul Byron ($0.644m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Giordano ($4.020m) / Kris Russell ($1.500m)
Dmitry Kulikov ($2.500m) / Ladislav Smid ($3.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($0.875m) / T.J. Brodie ($2.125m)
Shane O'Brien ($2.000m) / Chris Butler ($1.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Karri Ramo ($2.750m)
Reto Berra ($0.850m)
RETAINED SALARIES (4.67% of upper limit)
Mike Cammalleri ($3.000m—50.00%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2013-14 crunched using simulation date of 2013-12-08)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; BONUSES: $2,154,167
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $18,826,433

Only thing missing is Butler for a 5th!

Lets see what you got CP

[The Original FFIV]

You are giving up too much for Kulikov. Backlund plus secondary prospect.

Stajan to TO would have to have Liles coming back as well to balance money for TO. They would want Baertschi or minimum Backlund coming back.

Richards will be bought out before he is dealt to a rebuilding team. He has ntc and not going to waive for us.

MOD edit: you don't need to quote the entire first post - we know who you are responding to.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

You are giving up too much for Kulikov. Backlund plus secondary prospect.

Wotherspoon is a secondary prospect.

[cral12]

Don't necessarily agree with the components of the moves you've outlined although wouldn't mind pursuit of Gardiner and Kulikov. I do love the effort gone into it though!

[Cheerio]

I'd waive Derek Smith

[Ashasx]

Backlund is an overpayment alone for Kulikov.

I'm thinking the 3rd rounder is just fine. Don't really like Kulikov's attitude.

[Huntingwhale]

I'd bench Bart

[IgiTang]

Why would we try to give up anything for Richards and retain salary? For a 1st? Why not just move Cammi to a team at the deadline for a 1st?
Also, Kulikov having issues in Florida when hes their #1 bluechip dman? If hes having issues with icetime, a rebuild team, a messed up coaching system, why would we want him?
Gardiner was a flash in the pan, imo.
All so we can bury a dman who imo is better than both of those dmen?
The only way you move a prospect and picks for any player at this point is if they have a high ceiling and no baggage. Gardiner, ceiling questionable. Kulikov, attitude questionable

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Backlund is an overpayment alone for Kulikov.

I'm thinking the 3rd rounder is just fine. Don't really like Kulikov's attitude.

Overpayment from the Florida side.

Kulikov is younger, has a similar PPG pace as Backlund despite being a defender, is decent defensively (probably better than everyone on Flames outside of Giordano and maybe Brodie) and still has upside.

Not sure why Florida would want anything to do with a Kulikov-Backlund deal unless Backlund was a minor part of something better the Panthers were getting.

[moon]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

All so we can bury a dman who imo is better than both of those dmen?

Which dman would we bury who is better than them?

Kulikov would be better than everyone other than Gio and maybe Brodie (I would say they are on par) and Gardiner would be better than everyone but Gio and Brodie.

If you add one of them it is likely SOB and Butler that is sat and Gio-Brodie, New Guy-Russell, Wideman-Smid. If both added (very unlikely) you can move a Wideman or Russell and still sit Butler and SOB.

[DropIt]

-what would Florida want Backlund anyways?

Huberdeau, Barkov, Bjugstad, Matthias. Backlund wouldnt fit in there at allm not to mention I'd still prefer to keep him.

- We avoided the Richards contract fiasco and you want to trade for it now? bad idea.. thats a bad contract for a long time.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by DropIt

-what would Florida want Backlund anyways?

Huberdeau, Barkov, Bjugstad, Matthias. Backlund wouldnt fit in there at allm not to mention I'd still prefer to keep him.

yep. They also have Vince Trocheck, who has been very good in the AHL. That center depth was the reason why Corban Knight bailed.

[FlameZilla]

To Toronto: Matt Stajan + Lee Stempniak + Ryan Culkin
To Calgary: Jake Gardiner + Nikolai Kulemin + 1st round pick

To Detroit: Chris Butler + 7th round pick
To Calgary: Kyle Quincey + 4th round pick

To Philadelphia: Curtis Glencross (waives NMC) + Dennis Wideman
To Calgary: Matt Read + Andrej Mezaros + Luke Schenn + 2nd round pick

Cammalleri to playoff contender for 1st round pick

Offseason:
Re-sign Russell, 5 years $2.95 million AAV
Re-sign B. Jones, 2 years $1.5 million AAV
Let Kulemin walk
Let Meszaros walk
Let Quincey walk

Sign UFA Devin Setoguchi, 5 years $4.25 million AAV
Sign UFA Jaroslav Halak, 4 years $5.5 million AAV

Baertschi Monahan Setoguchi
Hudler Colborne Read
Bouma Backlund D. Jones
Galiardi Knight McGrattan
B. Jones

Giordano Brodie
Russell Gardiner
Smid Schenn
S.O.B.

Halak
Ramo or Berra

This is bonkers. Goodnight.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by moon

Which dman would we bury who is better than them?

Kulikov would be better than everyone other than Gio and maybe Brodie (I would say they are on par) and Gardiner would be better than everyone but Gio and Brodie.

If you add one of them it is likely SOB and Butler that is sat and Gio-Brodie, New Guy-Russell, Wideman-Smid. If both added (very unlikely) you can move a Wideman or Russell and still sit Butler and SOB.

In his roster lineup after the trades, he had Brodie as the 7th Dman. I wpuld consider that burried. Persinally and perhaps im being bias but I think Brodie is equal to or better right now than either of them and I see a higher ceiling.

[Poe969]

If I was the GM, I'd fire Hartley.......

Trade away Cammy for a first +, Stajan for maybe a first if not a second +, Stempniak for a second +, take offers for Russell and take what I can get for him unless he signs for 2 mill per for 2 years. Depending on how Glencross is when he gets back, I'd see if he'd waive his NTC because he's gone either this year or next. Any other UFA's on this team I'd take offers for and if any of them have value trade them too.

In the off season/draft, I'd build the team by over paying UFA's and building from within. I'd target players like Kulikov or even Myers from the sabres (pipe dream I know), young players who could use a change of scenery. I wouldn't mind doing terrible next year for a shot at McDavid.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

To Toronto: Matt Stajan + Lee Stempniak + Ryan Culkin
To Calgary: Jake Gardiner + Nikolai Kulemin + 1st round pick

To Detroit: Chris Butler + 7th round pick
To Calgary: Kyle Quincey + 4th round pick

To Philadelphia: Curtis Glencross (waives NMC) + Dennis Wideman
To Calgary: Matt Read + Andrej Mezaros + Luke Schenn + 2nd round pick

Cammalleri to playoff contender for 1st round pick

Offseason:
Re-sign Russell, 5 years $2.95 million AAV
Re-sign B. Jones, 2 years $1.5 million AAV
Let Kulemin walk
Let Meszaros walk
Let Quincey walk

Sign UFA Devin Setoguchi, 5 years $4.25 million AAV
Sign UFA Jaroslav Halak, 4 years $5.5 million AAV

Baertschi Monahan Setoguchi
Hudler Colborne Read
Bouma Backlund D. Jones
Galiardi Knight McGrattan
B. Jones

Giordano Brodie
Russell Gardiner
Smid Schenn
S.O.B.

Halak
Ramo or Berra

This is bonkers. Goodnight.

To Toronto: Matt Stajan + Lee Stempniak + Ryan Culkin
To Calgary: Jake Gardiner + Nikolai Kulemin + 1st round pick

Kulemin = Stajan
Stempniak < Gardiner
Culkin <<<< 1st

Not to mention they are UFA's, why would Toronto do this?

heck, I would do Stajan, Stempniak, Culkin for a 1st

[dammage79]

Hopefully when the trades do come they keep it simple. Any Vet goes for a pick or a good prospect ready to make the jump next season.

Don't really want the Flames to go and acquire more warm bodies for the main roster in the trades. And if they do, it's only for the necessity of staying above the cap.

Players in the same vein as Gardiner, Russell, Kulikov or Orlov are ideal targets.

Forwards wise, deep teams looking to beef up on a playoff run like St.louis or Chicago would be ideal trade partners as they have some good young players not quite ripe on the vine yet and would likely sell for a rental.

Flames Management has done a fairly solid job the past year doing these kind of deals.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Let me try my best for the lolz.

All trades around the deadline to maximize value:

To Colorado: Baertschi + Wideman + Prospect not named Gaudreau
To Calgary: O'Reilly + Wilson

To Toronto: Stajan + Stempniak + Butler
To Calgary: Gardiner + Liles

To Minnesota: Cammalleri
To Calgary: Niederietter + Heatley

To Philadelphia: Glencross + Backlund + 3rd round pick
To Calgary: Simmonds

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Jiri Hudler ($4.000m) / Sean Monahan ($0.925m) / Nino Niederreiter ($0.870m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.250m) / Joe Colborne ($0.600m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Lance Bouma ($0.578m) / Corban Knight ($0.900m) / Brian McGrattan ($0.750m)
Lane MacDermid ($0.660m) / Paul Byron ($0.644m) /
Blair Jones ($0.650m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Wilson ($2.250m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Ladislav Smid ($3.500m) / T.J. Brodie ($2.125m)
Kris Russell ($1.500m) / Jake Gardiner ($0.875m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Derek Smith ($0.775m)
Christopher Breen ($0.578m) / Shane O'Brien ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Karri Ramo ($2.750m)
Reto Berra ($0.850m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(cap space ignores bonus cushion excess of $1,575,417)
(estimations for 2013-14 crunched using simulation date of 2013-12-08)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; BONUSES: $6,397,917
CAP SPACE (27-man roster): $12,914,766

Flame on.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Flame on.

You got Dany Heatley, and no firsts.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

You got Dany Heatley, and no firsts.

Well, we do have 1 of our own which I'm hoping we use on Dal Colle.

Heatley is a UFA so no harm no foul.

Young players acquired: O'Reilly, Simmonds (sorta), Niederietter, Gardiner. Doesn't that make up for not taking any 20-30 overall pick?