Alberta Politics Thread v2

[SeeGeeWhy]

These opposition groups should rename the project to Heteronormative Mountain Expansion and Trudeau will drop it like a rock.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

They’re the government that got elected that the majority of Albertans never wanted.

You could say the same about the PC’s in 2004 and 2012, when they didn’t win the popular vote. In 2015 the NDP got more votes than the PCs did in either of those elections, they even got more total votes(around 100k more) than the PCs did in 2008 when they actually did get the majority of the popular vote.

If it weren’t for the wildrose conservative vote split they never would of been elected.

In 2015 both the PCs and the Wildrose got fewer votes than they did in 2012, around 150k and 80k respectively. Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the Wildrose splitting the vote handed them the election, seems like a large number of Albertans who previously voted for those parties wanted nothing to do with either of them on Election Day.

They won by default.

They won because they won in the ridings where they needed to win, same as the PCs in the previous election. Unfortunately our electoral system is pretty flawed when it comes to the overall popular vote determining how many seats a party actually gets. But if it wasn’t a problem for people when the PCs won 61/87 seats in 2012 with less than 44% of the popular vote then I’m not sure why the NDP winning 54/87 seats with over 40% of the popular vote is.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1099744325196369925

[GGG]

That should trigger some fines from elections Alberta.

[rubecube]

Do the people suggesting the government should just expropriate land forget that all of B.C. is unceded territory and that expropriation of it would likely land the feds in hot water at both a constitutional level and in international law?

Those court challenges would take years to resolve and it would likely be the end of any government enacting such a strategy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Do the people suggesting the government should just expropriate land forget that all of B.C. is unceded territory and that expropriation of it would likely land the feds in hot water at both a constitutional level and in international law?

Those court challenges would take years to resolve and it would likely be the end of any government enacting such a strategy.

Most people are unaware of the implications of the BC court rulings around unceded land. Most prefer to think of Coloniaism as being successful. Also since Albert is Treaty land you would have never learned about the concept in scxhool.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1099744325196369925

it should.
I'd like to hear Markov try and spin this one.
they could not be more blatant in what they've done.
https://edmontonsun.com/news/politic...4-9079e14ce5cf


as Kenney said
"Those are party, not government signs. This is explicitly prohibited by AHS policy. Stop campaigning at public expense. Call the election.”

hard to argue it was anything to do with government when it was notley election signs all over the place.
disgusting that she's campaigning this openly without calling an election.

Notley, you used to say you held yourself to a higher standard. now prove it.

[shermanator]

"Why there is no quick fix for Alberta's malaise, no matter how much we want one"

Found this a good in-depth article from CBC regarding the province in general, and how the economic downturn will shape the election.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...-one-1.5015196

Evoking problems with confederation can rally a crowd but can also enhance a sense of impotence. If we are not treated fairly, and we are unable to fix it — even held back from fixing it — then, yes, we are righteous in our anger. But anger isn't a plan.


The leveraging of an us-versus-them narrative — the ill-defined, external enemy — may play well in the echo chambers of social media and from the political podium, but it lacks nuance and substance. Still, it will no doubt play a substantial role in the upcoming provincial election campaign, where rhetoric flourishes as Albertans' emotions are leveraged by those who bid to get, or hold, power.

...

Many of us are still deeply anxious, if not desperate, about what lies ahead. This may go some way toward explaining why the very acknowledgment of a recovery has gained little traction as a provincial narrative. People don't feel it in their bones.


This, too, will likely inform the upcoming election. The idea of a generation-long recovery is unlikely to sit well with the electorate. Even if it's the reality we might face.

"In turn, we Albertans must understand challenges ahead, be open to them, and be aware that, at this point, only painful options are available," University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe wrote in a sobering analysis of our long-term economic and demographic trajectories.


"We did little long-term planning when times were good. We did little when times were bad

[Dion]

A quick check of the NDP website shows they have 62 candidates so far and a need of 25 more if Notley wants candidates in all 87 ridings. Probably a major reason why she hasn't called an election.

https://rachelnotley.ca/team

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue;7007498[/quote

as Kenney said
"Those are party, not government signs. This is explicitly prohibited by AHS policy. Stop campaigning at public expense. Call the election.”

hard to argue it was anything to do with government when it was notley election signs all over the place.
disgusting that she's campaigning this openly without calling an election.

Notley, you used to say you held yourself to a higher standard. now prove it.

Notley is arrogant and doesn't think the rules apply to her.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

it should.
I'd like to hear Markov try and spin this one.
they could not be more blatant in what they've done.
https://edmontonsun.com/news/politic...4-9079e14ce5cf


as Kenney said
"Those are party, not government signs. This is explicitly prohibited by AHS policy. Stop campaigning at public expense. Call the election.”

hard to argue it was anything to do with government when it was notley election signs all over the place.
disgusting that she's campaigning this openly without calling an election.

Notley, you used to say you held yourself to a higher standard. now prove it.

https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/articl...campaign-event

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/articl...campaign-event

Man...that's just greasy.

The dippers should really be disciplined for this.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by shermanator

"Why there is no quick fix for Alberta's malaise, no matter how much we want one"

Found this a good in-depth article from CBC regarding the province in general, and how the economic downturn will shape the election.

Every Albertan needs to read that series. This graph from the related article is sobering stuff.

Spoiler!

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Every Albertan needs to read that series. This graph from the related article is sobering stuff.

Spoiler!

This is what happens after 15 years of unrestrained spending by PC and now NDP governments. We've had a leadership vacuum where our political leaders are terrified to make responsible prudent decisions. We need to act like adults and live within our means as a province. Poor Jim Prentice proposed belt tightening and got torched at the polls (although it was more of a protest against years of poor PC performance than anything). Just awful decision making since Ralph held up the "paid in full" sign in 2004.

[Dion]

First we Maria Fitzpatrick of the NDP who tries to fear monger to get the support of Albertans.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1099316316727521280

Then unemployed Dan M, leaves a reply that many in stiches.

NSFW!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1099824529952534528

Finally we have a UCP candidate with a question for Maria about the state of heath care in our province. Looks to be a nasty upcoming campaign

https://twitter.com/user/status/1100076266978328576

[Dion]

More fallout from the Notley hospital campaign speech as 2 of the nurses standing behind Notley felt they were being used for political purposes.

The blame goes to United Nurses of Alberta Local 120 who asked health care staff to attend this event to stand behind their union leader who was to speak.

LethbridgeNewsNOW has received information from two nurses who stood with Notley and state they are not comfortable with what transpired Saturday afternoon. Neither wanted to be seen as supporting a political campaign.

One of the nurses believed she and fellow nurses were asked to attend to support the union over what they believed was a government announcement. However, she did not realize it was outright campaigning for the NDP, until the Premier began to speak. At that point, she turned to the nurse beside her and asked "What 's happening right now?"

As she listened to Notley speak, she realized the premier was "delivering a prepared speech directed at an opposition party leader."

The nurse explained she wanted to leave, "But it seemed as though making a scene by storming out was not the best option. So I toughed it out. At the end of the whole ordeal, I finally turned around to look at the banner behind me. I had no idea that I was standing in front of an NDP banner the whole time. My exact thought was "well ****"

The nurse in question believes the event was misrepresented and she feels used for political gain.

"There is one word that describes how I feel about that event - USED!"

" I had no idea I was standing behind a specific political party. I would not have provided the background to political rhetoric. This is not a media photo I am proud of."

https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/articl...campaign-event

[Weitz]

^^ I don't know about the put their feet up between surgeries, nurses do work really hard in most cases, but I know in Red Deer there are lots of delayed/rescheduled procedures/non-emergency operations due to the nurses union.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Weitz

but I know in Red Deer there are lots of delayed/rescheduled procedures/non-emergency operations due to the nurses union.

How so?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

How so?

A scheduled procedure runs a little bit long. Nurse's refuse to stay any extra amount of time due to backlash from the Nurses union. If no Nurse is able to cover for that but of time the procedure the was next, that the patient has sometimes been waiting 6 months for, has to be rescheduled. Happens often in Red Deer. Unsure about elsewhere. But the Hospital in Red Deer has been neglected by the province for so long (way before the NDP too) its really not that surprising.

[CaptainCrunch]

Ethics commissioner is now looking into the NDP campaigning

https://twitter.com/user/status/1100435436550287360