MF YYC Politics - there, I mega did it

[Wormius]

Maybe I am being cynical, but I really believe the likeliness that anybody based their purchase on a house, because of the neighbourhood’s current zoning is pretty close to 0. It probably didn’t even cross anybody’s mind. If it did, colour me shocked.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Not everybody really gives af about owning a home, and once you can get past that and realize that it’s very little more than just something people believe they need to check off their list in adulting requirements, the happier people would be.

My guess is that clip is cut and out of context. Young people, sinks and dinks for example, probably dont' want to own because the factors that go into selecting a place to live when you are 33 and have children is completely different from when you're 25 and single.

A lot of the younger folks in my profession live in apartments due to the proximity to downtown, work, restaurants etc.. and will own later. Buying a 450,000 house in Cranston isn't in line with their lifestyle. I don't think that's a controversial thing.

[cheevers]

Imagine being such a lazy piece of trash that the idea of walking to a grocery store is a huge problem. Another reason why our health care struggles.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by cheevers

Imagine being such a lazy piece of trash that the idea of walking to a grocery store is a huge problem. Another reason why our health care struggles.

Imagine if you could reply to those comments.

“get some exercise, fatty!”

“hey white trash, park in your garage like a normal person”

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Maybe I am being cynical, but I really believe the likeliness that anybody based their purchase on a house, because of the neighbourhood’s current zoning is pretty close to 0. It probably didn’t even cross anybody’s mind. If it did, colour me shocked.

And yet, 99% of the written submissions opposing upzoning say 'I was looking for an RC-1 designated neighbourhood when I purchased my house'

Yeah####ingright.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I saw a decent comment to the parking issue:

If you park on your own property, then parking shouldn't be an issue. If you need to park on the street, then your house is equally contributing to the problem.

I think this is a fair comment, when I had a tiny little 2 story starter house, every single house had a parking pad in the alley. It was all out parking wars on the street, and you could circle the alley driving past empty parking pad after empty parking pad. A lot of these people are their own worst enemies.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Won’t someone think of the trees?

Warning reading the full article will lower your IQ.

City's rezoning push at odds with desire to preserve trees

In a recent Herald article, we learned that there has been a decline in the size of Calgary’s urban forest and the city wants to become more stringent in enforcing the rules around removing trees on private property. Of course, that only seems to apply in locations where city council has not decided to remove an old bungalow and replace it with high-density housing that extends almost to the property lines. In many of those areas where two infills have been developed on a 50-foot lot, it has been possible to save all or most of the trees. But in this new density concept — oblivious to history or the value of community — the trees get bulldozed to cram as many people as possible onto lots.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...preserve-trees

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by cheevers

Imagine being such a lazy piece of trash that the idea of walking to a grocery store is a huge problem. Another reason why our health care struggles.

I think that's being overly harsh, tbh. The problem is that far too many North American cities were designed in the style of post-WWII low density single-use residential suburbs where being 100% car dependent is a feature. It isn't reasonable to expect someone living in Yop Gobblerville to walk to a grocery store because quite simply there aren't any grocery stores near them located within a reasonable walking distance. If they need to do something as mundane as buying a jug of milk, that's a trip they have no choice but to make in a car. It's a huge failing in North American urban design that we've made large percentages of our population totally car dependent, and now those same people are fighting tooth and nail against any attempts to fix the problem..

Their error is in thinking that their lifestyle also applies to everyone else, but all of us who choose to live in walkable mixed-use communities know there is a better way.

[btimbit]

I just buy too much at once. I hate shopping so I don't want to have to go more often just to have an amount of bags to comfortably that long, and I'm not getting a wagon or something.

But the notion that 'durr I don't do it therefore nobody does it, so why make it a thing' is so completely braindead

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Won’t someone think of the trees?

This, but unironically.

Trees are important for good urban design. They give shade, make communities more walkable, improve air quality, sequester carbon, and moderate the temp in our increasingly hot summers.

https://www.calgary.ca/environment/c...opy-cover.html

The loss of the urban canopy should be factored into the tradeoffs around densification proposals.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Maybe I am being cynical, but I really believe the likeliness that anybody based their purchase on a house, because of the neighbourhood’s current zoning is pretty close to 0. It probably didn’t even cross anybody’s mind. If it did, colour me shocked.

But they undoubtedly had an implicit understanding and expectation of zoning, that a neighborhood that is mostly single family homes at the time of their purchase will remain that way and change slowly.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by accord1999

But they undoubtedly had an implicit understanding and expectation of zoning, that a neighborhood that is mostly single family homes at the time of their purchase will remain that way and change slowly.

And that is exactly what will happen if this proposal passes.

Either that or fire and brimstone falling down from the skies, rivers and poop lakes boiling, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living in row houses...MASS HYSTERIA!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This, but unironically.

Trees are important for good urban design. They give shade, make communities more walkable, improve air quality, sequester carbon, and moderate the temp in our increasingly hot summers.

https://www.calgary.ca/environment/c...opy-cover.html

The loss of the urban canopy should be factored into the tradeoffs around densification proposals.

Please explain the relevance to rezoning. You don’t think that they cut down trees for single-family home infills they only do when building duplex infills?

Or maybe you were going to say that you’re strongly against the expansion of our suburbs because of the wanton destruction of natural habitat that they cause that takes decades to rebuild. Whereas rezoning would allow densification without such harmful effects.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by accord1999

But they undoubtedly had an implicit understanding and expectation of zoning, that a neighborhood that is mostly single family homes at the time of their purchase will remain that way and change slowly.

[timun]

Ruined neighbourhood:

Spoiler!

About-to-be-ruined neighbourhood:

Spoiler!

Perfection:

Spoiler!

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by timun

Ruined neighbourhood:

Spoiler!

About-to-be-ruined neighbourhood:

Spoiler!

Perfection:

Spoiler!

Now show one with 4 rowhouses, on a 50 ft lot, built between two single detached houses.

[Bill Bumface]

See, density destroys the tree canopy and there is nowhere to park:

Spoiler!

[timun]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Now show one with 4 rowhouses, on a 50 ft lot, built between two single detached houses.

Why don't you show one, lazybones?

Have fun trying to find one.

[fotze2]

I think talking to people, they are picturing Soviet era apartment housing. The most against this are people who immigrated from Poland and now have places in Aspen estates.

Not reasonable but that’s what Iv’e heard.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by timun

Why don't you show one, lazybones?

Have fun trying to find one.

If I had to find one to prove the point they are trying to make, it would be this 4 unit one:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/e8cQCzmNMaAQSxSR9


Because previously the lot had many many more trees on it:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/ybyEc6GYV8CniqTJ6


But this could have been done nicer with trees instead of...weedy gravel.