[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by browna

Ferland had 1 as well in that time frame.

Yeah but Ferly doesn't make 5 million does he?

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by devo22

and he is, just look at his game log. He lit it up in early November and then again around New Year, but that's about it.

https://www.nhl.com/player/micheal-f...eason=20172018

But Lindholm with more ice time wasn't?

[GullFoss]

I really want to know more about these off-ice issues Hamilton had. Did he party too hard? Was he too full of himself and better than everyone else? Was he just socially aloof? Was he too introverted? Who has the scoop?? Did he hit on the other players' moms and sisters? Did he have a problem with the lgbtq player(s) on the flames?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Where is all this Hamilton has off ice issues crap coming from?

This sounds like the Boston media in 2015.

Listen to the BT interview and see what you think he is saying...without saying it outright.

[Roof-Daddy]

Haha wow.

That Treliving interview with Steinberg pretty much says it all.

IMO

Hamilton either wanted out or the Flames wanted him gone, or both.
Fox was not going to sign with us. He pretty much said this.

Good riddance.

Plus with Ferland only having a year left until he goes UFA and gets overpaid, this deal is fine because we get two very good young players that we can lock up long term at a fair price.

I wish Fox could have been used as a chip in another trade, but it is what it is I guess.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Where is all this Hamilton has off ice issues crap coming from?

This sounds like the Boston media in 2015.

Yeah I don't like this stuff nor do I think it's fair to people. We can only speculate as to what it is. Dougie was a good guy the entire time he was here, there is no real evidence to say otherwise. The brother thing was complicated, not sure if that's where the relationship soured.

[CaptainCrunch]

Our top 6 got a lot better, Ferland's ceiling is where he is now, Lindholm has a lot of untapped talent.


Our Blueline should allow Brodie to slide back to his natural side


This will probably not be a



Gio-Brodie
Hanifan-Hamonic
Stone - Andersson



Group.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I haven't read this thread. I'm going to be in the minority, but I love this deal.

Hamilton just didn't have that extra gear. I never saw it. I never felt that he gave any extra effort on any given night. While he has elite talents, he doesn't have that drive necessary to become an elite player and a driver of the team. This is all based on personal observations of his demeanor and play on the ice, so obviously it's a pretty weak opinion based on evidence, but I still believe this to be true. I think the culture shift began and ended with a guy like Hamilton. Points are great, and I know we're starved for offense, but I really think this team's problems are about chemistry and mental fortitude rather than just skill.

I like Ferland, but he's terribly inconsistent. When he's on, he's freakin' scary. When he's off, he's barely noticeable. He's off way more than he's on. While he might turn into something better than a 15 goal 30 point power forward, I think that last year's season is probably his career year. Selling high on Ferland is a smart, smart move by Treliving.

Fox has great tools, and he can dominate the college level, but I've watched him (in limited viewings) and his skating turns me off. I don't think he can skate nearly well enough to be an effective NHLer. Just my opinion, but his acceleration is terrible, his top speed is just meh, and he doesn't have the balance or edging you need to be a great offensive defenseman in the NHL. His vision and passing are off the charts. His hockey IQ is great. It might get him to the league, but I don't know for how long. I think he's the 4th best defensive prospect we have after Valimaki, Andersson, and Kylington. I'm not going to sweat losing our 4th best defense prospect.


Lindholm is a high IQ center/winger who already puts up 40 points a year and is still very young. I don't know what he'll become, but if he stays there that's still good enough for me. If he improves some and becomes a 50-60 point guy. That's a major shot in the arm to the offense.

Hanifin is the lynchpin to the whole thing. IF he turns out as projected, this is a major homerun. If he doesn't become much more than he is right now, that's still ok because of the defense depth we have.


We basically got two young stars in the making for a star defenseman with questionable work ethic/motivation, an inconsistent 3rd line power forward, and our 4th best defense prospect. I'm ok with this deal. I think it's pretty even.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Awful trade


f u brad treliving

[devo22]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

But Lindholm with more ice time wasn't?

I didn't say that, I just said that Ferland is inconsistent and streaky. That's just a fact if you look up the numbers.

Lindholm is inconsistent too, but he's 3 years younger than Ferland with more upside and flexibility (C/W). He's a top 6 forward, Ferland isn't.

[mile]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Here's the bottom line though

Hamilton - Core player
Ferland - Accessory player
Fox - Maybe an unwilling prospect

Lindhom - Core
Hanifan - Core.

I don't think this trade is as bad or needs as much dramatic, back of the hands forehead histrionics as are being presented.

That's how I see it too. I think it'll be a good trade for both teams.

[Jiggy_12]

This is becoming one of those trades that looks and feels better as we receive more information on stuff we didn't know for certain before.

Fox and Hamilton both seem good as gone for us anyhow, so being able to net two players of this calibre seems like a pretty big get.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Literally everything in this post is speculation/rumour.

Typically when fans/media go to these lengths to justify trades, it's to justify losing a trade - just like the Boston media did in 2015.

Except the media and fans have been making these observations for a couple years. So they're not after-the-fact justifications for a trade. And the Flames trading for his brother and Hamilton not making himself available to the media are facts on the ground, not speculation.

So do you flat out not believe any insider media comments about players? Or only the ones about players you like?

Look at the comments from Treliving himself. If you can't see Flames brass had issues with Hamilton's attitude, I don't know what to say.

[sureLoss]

At least Fox didn't lead the Flames on indicating that he was gong to sign and then "change" his mind at the 11th hour before the Flames rights expire like Tom Erixon.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Skyceman

// clearly Hamilton had to go and was likely a root of the problems the team had

That's objectively untrue since our problem was offense and Hamilton is 40+ point defenseman. If the rest of the team wasn't going to play an effective offensive game because he's in the dressing room then they are the problem, not him. Far more likely that Gulutzan was the problem.

[Barnet Flame]

Another crappy loss in a trade by a chronically mismanaged team.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

This is such a great trade from an asset management perspective. Ferland and Fox would
be gone next year and Dougie in three. Hanifin and Lindholm will be under control for 5+ years.

Then add on that we got rid of an apparent head case, finally got a top 2ish RW, and that Hanifin has a decent chance to be just as valuable as Hamilton (different skill set though).

I’m loving it.

Just a thought on Dougie’s contract — one of the major justifications for overpaying for Hamonic was his team friendly contract over the next three years. I think Dougie’s on an equally good contract and now it’s “he’ll be gone in three years anyways”?

[Mike F]

Hated this trade when I first heard it. Reading through the thread I now get that there would be a problem signing Fox, and I get that Dougie had some off ice and/or intensity issues. I also acknowledge that Hanifin is still very young, and is years away from the age where most defensemen hit their peak (though Dougie isn't there as well). So I've come down a bit. But. . . .

At the end of the day Calgary has had a huge hole in their RW, with no prospects projecting to have a high probability of filling that role. Treliving has admitted that's a worry of his. Yet he's now gone through 2 off seasons and shipped out a 1st, two 2nds, Dougie Hamilton, Ferland, and Fox, and still hasn't conclusively dealt with that issue; the team is still in a position of simply hoping a player can step up to a level he's never met before. Tre hoped (expected) Bennett to step up last year, he hoped Ferland could prove to be a full time top 6 player, and is now hoping Lindholm can at least double his average goal production from the last 4 years (this from a guy whose draft profile said "One area of improvement for Lindholm with the puck would be his ability to finish off plays. He gets very good chances around the net, but just does not seem to be able to score on them as often as he should, and he should also try to look to shoot more often".

Bottom line, that's way too many high quality assets out the door to not feel confident that the team has solved its RW scoring issues.

Edit: I should say that I'm elated that this means that Brodie goes back to the right side. Yes, it's Treliving solving a problem he created, but I'll give props to a guy who can admit he made a mistake.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

At least Fox didn't lead the Flames on indicating that he was gong to sign and then "change" his mind at the 11th hour before the Flames rights expire like Tom Erixon.

indeed. Stayed quiet, indicated intent and gave plenty of time to deal with the situation.

[sureLoss]

Flames website has Lindholm wearing 28 and Hanifin wearing 5. Obviously needs to be updated.