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Old 10-07-2019, 01:33 PM   #21
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You have answered your own question. Red=bad, bold black=good
At minimum you should interview, if you haventand go with the best option. At least you could put all thre opportunities on paper, with pros and cons attached, to determine what is reallly the best.
Great advice. Appreciate it.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:35 PM   #22
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Well, no, it wasn't meant to be. I am quite conflicted with feelings of loyalty, not being seen as a flake, leaving my reports in limbo.

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You Pass Up Opportunities
Your loyalty to your boss may cause you to pass up other job opportunities. It is easy to tell yourself, "My boss really needs me" and immediately to say, "No thanks!" to the recruiter who calls you or to a job opportunity that falls into your lap. It is easy to convince yourself that you are irreplaceable at work, even when no one else has suggested that you might be.

Your path is your priority -- not pleasing your boss or even being his or her right-hand person. What good will it do you to be your boss' right-hand person if you don't see a path ahead that is fun, exciting and flame-growing for you? It's your right to do the sort of work you choose, for the people you choose.
Don't close your eyes to new opportunities on the pretense that you must be loyal to the people you work for now. Would they pass up an opportunity to automate or outsource your job out of loyalty to you, if automating or outsourcing your job would make the company more money?
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:38 PM   #23
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From a Forbes article I saved:


You Pass Up Opportunities
Your loyalty to your boss may cause you to pass up other job opportunities. It is easy to tell yourself, "My boss really needs me" and immediately to say, "No thanks!" to the recruiter who calls you or to a job opportunity that falls into your lap. It is easy to convince yourself that you are irreplaceable at work, even when no one else has suggested that you might be.

Your path is your priority -- not pleasing your boss or even being his or her right-hand person. What good will it do you to be your boss' right-hand person if you don't see a path ahead that is fun, exciting and flame-growing for you? It's your right to do the sort of work you choose, for the people you choose.
Don't close your eyes to new opportunities on the pretense that you must be loyal to the people you work for now. Would they pass up an opportunity to automate or outsource your job out of loyalty to you, if automating or outsourcing your job would make the company more money?
It was only until recently that I had a very strong "company man" mentality - even in situations where I was very unhappy in a job, I would stick it out almost until the breaking point instead of taking opportunities that came to me.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:58 PM   #24
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You do what's best for you. I don't see why you don't jump ship TBH.

But if you really do feel like you owe something to the current company, then start putting together an easy fool proof document that will aid the transition.

- Internal knowledge and documentation that is helpful
- Current projects/future projects
- Current strategy vs future strategy from your POV
etc.

Print it out and leave in your old desk or hand it to certain others in the company for safekeeping etc. Everyone always seems to lose digital docs. It's not necessary to a certain extent, but it probably is just as helpful/if not more helpful for you in terms of letting go as it will be for the company to have it on hand. Being open about the opportunities is also usually an OK thing to do IMO if you are on good terms, but it depends on the people you work with as well.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:58 PM   #25
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So... my question, what do I do? Do I leave? I haven't been with my current employer for even a year and I really do like the VP that I work with, and honestly, he has really come to depend on me for a lot of things. It would crush him if I left. But the money, and the degrading office culture here... I don't know. What would you folks do? Any similar stories?
honestly?
leave.
you have to come first, not your VP because of a misguided sense of loyalty.
if the VP is a good guy, he will understand why.

don't let the opportunity pass you by because you don't want to possibly hurt someone's feelings. you'll regret it.

my now older self regrets the times I didn't look out for myself first and foremost.
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It's easy to believe you're depended on for a lot and would hurt the compabny if you left, and it's probably true, but the fact is everybody is replaceable. That VP could leave tomorrow and while there might be a few rocky days, everything would be perfectly fine.

If you're truly worried about things going pear-shaped when you leave, one thing I've done is just give them larger notice. Rather than two weeks give them a months heads up that you're leaving. Gives them a longer time to figure out what to do without you, and you won't feel like you're burning bridges. I can tell you though, that loyalty you feel normally isn't recipricated and you'll likely find yourself pushed out before the month is up anyway.
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I bet they'll have security perpwalk his ass out as soon as he hands in his notice.
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Yeah, on the reputation management side, I think I have to be pretty strategic about that. There's been some good advice here. In my field, if I gave notice, I would be asked to wrap up and leave in the week. Too many personal contacts and relationships that will be taken with me otherwise.
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I bet they'll have security perpwalk his ass out as soon as he hands in his notice.
How topical. I'm in my office right now (A place I hate and maybe spend 1 day a month in) and RCMP just walked 3 payroll girls out.

You're next peter!
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How topical. I'm in my office right now (A place I hate and maybe spend 1 day a month in) and RCMP just walked 3 payroll girls out.

You're next peter!
The accountant who handles our expenses hates me. So it's nice to see payroll get theirs for a change.
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How topical. I'm in my office right now (A place I hate and maybe spend 1 day a month in) and RCMP just walked 3 payroll girls out.

You're next peter!
I'm in your ####ing thoughts man.
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Yeah, on the reputation management side, I think I have to be pretty strategic about that. There's been some good advice here. In my field, if I gave notice, I would be asked to wrap up and leave in the week. Too many personal contacts and relationships that will be taken with me otherwise.
Understandable. Depending on your relationship with managment then, if you do decide to leave, I'd just talk to them a week before giving your notice and let them know your general thoughts about possibly moving on. That way when you do give your notice it isn't a blindside, they already had the idea put in their head about the possibility.

Obviously don't do this if you intend to stay after all, makes it awkward
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The accountant who handles our expenses hates me. So it's nice to see payroll get theirs for a change.
In my experience, almost everybody who does payroll or accounting is a terrible human being.

Except whoever is reading this right now. You're awesome.
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Wait - you have only been there less than a year? Where does this heightened sense of loyalty come from?
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RCMP walk people out of jobs?
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Without saying much, if there's a criminal investigation involved they do
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Yeah, on the reputation management side, I think I have to be pretty strategic about that. There's been some good advice here. In my field, if I gave notice, I would be asked to wrap up and leave in the week. Too many personal contacts and relationships that will be taken with me otherwise.
And this is fair. I was leaning towards optimism you don't have to tiptoe like this, but it's unfortunately the reality in certain situations. A few of my friends over the years moved on to greater things. While they were completely willing to help the transition, they were straight up escorted out of the door within a few days (some in a few hours) and some of their stories were jaw dropping. These were guys in finance, accounting and law who moved on to bigger opportunities or started their own companies.

This is why I was suggesting the document that would "aid the transition". When attached to the resignation letter, it kinda shows that you're not leaving the company hanging. It also reduces some annoying stuff in the exit interviews, reduces old colleagues messaging after your departure incessantly to do basic things like find documents and get into the documents etc. Even if it isn't used directly, my buddy found that leaving a transition letter (was more like retooled training documentation he was working on before his departure) counteracted some rumors that ownership/management started spreading about him. Some people at higher levels of the company go nutty and act like an insane ex after the departure. I've heard a few stories by individuals directly involved and it's kinda crazy some of the absolutely inappropriate stuff that ends up happening from the former companies.

I definitely hope you don't run into the worst examples of this type of stuff. Whatever happens in general. Good luck.
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Wait - you have only been there less than a year? Where does this heightened sense of loyalty come from?
I like the work we do and specifically, how we do it. At least, I did when I started. There have been a couple of major strategic/culture shifts in the office over the summer.

EDIT: For me, a big part of my value as an employee is being given complete creative control over my work, and being allowed to take risks that often pay off. My instincts have always been good with this kind of work (and yes, I would love to start my own company one day). What comes with this type of skill-set is a type of personality that can be tough in an organizational setting for certain people.

I will give you an example. I am the project lead for a public affairs contract with a major pipeline construction project. We've recently taken on several people for some environmental projects - a couple of which have activist backgrounds. I received an email yesterday from our head of HR that I should be careful with any "pro-pipeline" talk around the office because it may offend our new hires. WTF. Our environmental work is basically about pursuing future leads, while the pipeline contract is like 10% of our annual revenue. So now, everytime I want to talk pipelines, I have to do it behind closed doors. How regressive is that?!

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Without saying much, if there's a criminal investigation involved they do
Ah, so some branch of government. Gotcha.
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Ah, so some branch of government. Gotcha.
The payroll girls were embezzling or something to that effect and the police were arresting them.
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