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Old 10-07-2019, 11:47 AM   #1
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Alright, I will get to it.

I'm finally at the point in my career (early 30s) where I have amassed enough experience and success to actually be able to pick and choose employers, instead of the other way around.

That said, I transitioned back into my chosen career (public affairs and government relations) from a role in the public sector about a year ago.

My current employer was great when I took the role. I was promised a lot of freedom and leeway to execute projects how I saw fit, conduct meetings, pursue strategies... All great stuff.

Well, there's been some personnel changes in the last few months, the office culture has changed, and so has executive strategy. I am now seeing a lot more direct control in my projects, and the roll-out of a new tech product, which in my opinion is poorly integrated with the services we provide clients, is over-resourced, and managed by a tech whiz kid who uses a lot of lingo that older business people love, but is not particularly well-educated in a lot of other aspects of our type of business.

That said, my team's work is still the bread-and-butter of the company. We are the most productive, and easily have the most wins of anyone else.

It's still good, and had full intention of sticking around, until three weeks ago when I was approached by two recruiters - one from my dream firm and the other from a highly-regarded boutique firm. Both positions are senior management type with a significant boost in salary.

So... my question, what do I do? Do I leave? I haven't been with my current employer for even a year and I really do like the VP that I work with, and honestly, he has really come to depend on me for a lot of things. It would crush him if I left. But the money, and the degrading office culture here... I don't know. What would you folks do? Any similar stories?
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #2
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I'd absolutely explore it and look at leaving, you have to do what's best for you on a personal and professional level.


As much as we believe that we're invaluable or that someone will be crushed if you leave, or the company will spiral into an orgy of loss of profits and brain eating, the company will go on.


Its all about you maaaaannnnnn
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #3
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IMO - they changed the exec strategy and culture - you shouldn't feel bad about being able to change your direction as a result. You made a commitment at a specific point in time for specific reasons. They changed the parameters, not you.

If I'm you - pursue the new options. If it works out, make sure you are very honest with your VP why. You were willing to be patient where you were... its not just the direct money and opportunity grab, its the change of circumstances that have triggered the change of direction. They should understand that.
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My advice is look out for number one. Public sector will not hold it against you if you decide to leave and one day come back. Besides, you only live once - take the adventure and make calculated risks. The hardest part is making the decision.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:54 AM   #5
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Seems like an easy choice to me.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:58 AM   #6
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My advice is look out for number one. Public sector will not hold it against you if you decide to leave and one day come back. Besides, you only live once - take the adventure and make calculated risks. The hardest part is making the decision.
No, I'm back to being a private sector lobbyist now, baby.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:03 PM   #7
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Ah sorry, read that wrong. Same advice, shortened statement then
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Always keep your options open as there is absolutely no harm in looking elsewhere. Loyalty is a great thing, but can only go so far, as circumstances change for both employer and employee. My only caveat is be careful of the "dream firm". Understand exactly what they are offering, not just what you think it would be like. Oops, 2 caveats: I wouldn't want to bounce around from job to job too much. I don't think that is you, but reviewing resumes where a candidate seems to move on from a job every year or so is off-putting to some degree.
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If the downturn taught me anything, it's that the only loyalty you owe is to yourself. Cynical, perhaps, but justified.

Working for your dream firm, for more money and a promotion, is a no brainer.
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This reads more like a humblebrag than anything else. "Hey guys, I got two job offers with significant salary boosts, one from my dream firm, should I consider them?"

No, don't consider those positions. Go to your current VP and beg for forgiveness, ask him to reduce your salary for even thinking about leaving.
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For all you know the VP might be looking for a position elsewhere also. In fact you should tell the recruiters about him. After you've accepted of course.
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If the downturn taught me anything, it's that the only loyalty you owe is to yourself. Cynical, perhaps, but justified.
The world has always been this way.

Companies really don't care about their employees beyond how they can make them money.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:40 PM   #13
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Yeah, company loyalty is a useless relic at this point. Look out for yourself.
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Will this new job mean you have less time to post on CP?

I say go for it!
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Seems like you know what you want to do but are afraid to make the jump.

Do it. Listen to yourself
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i think as employes we all feel a certain level of loyalty to a company/organization/our coworkers.

think of how much this significant boost in pay would mean over 5 or so years.
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Alright, I will get to it.

I'm finally at the point in my career (early 30s) where I have amassed enough experience and success to actually be able to pick and choose employers, instead of the other way around.

That said, I transitioned back into my chosen career (public affairs and government relations) from a role in the public sector about a year ago.

My current employer was great when I took the role. I was promised a lot of freedom and leeway to execute projects how I saw fit, conduct meetings, pursue strategies... All great stuff.

Well, there's been some personnel changes in the last few months, the office culture has changed, and so has executive strategy. I am now seeing a lot more direct control in my projects, and the roll-out of a new tech product, which in my opinion is poorly integrated with the services we provide clients, is over-resourced, and managed by a tech whiz kid who uses a lot of lingo that older business people love, but is not particularly well-educated in a lot of other aspects of our type of business.

That said, my team's work is still the bread-and-butter of the company. We are the most productive, and easily have the most wins of anyone else.

It's still good, and had full intention of sticking around, until three weeks ago when I was approached by two recruiters - one from my dream firm and the other from a highly-regarded boutique firm. Both positions are senior management type with a significant boost in salary.

So... my question, what do I do? Do I leave? I haven't been with my current employer for even a year and I really do like the VP that I work with, and honestly, he has really come to depend on me for a lot of things. It would crush him if I left. But the money, and the degrading office culture here... I don't know. What would you folks do? Any similar stories?

You have answered your own question. Red=bad, bold black=good
At minimum you should interview, if you haventand go with the best option. At least you could put all thre opportunities on paper, with pros and cons attached, to determine what is reallly the best.

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I never understood the "Work to Live. Live to work" statement until I found the job I love. There will always be days, times, situations of your job that can piss you off, but if on a whole, you wake up excited to go to work... that's a win for me.
The other things that take into account are travel... driving more than 30 minutes a day for commute is a waste of my life. There's so many better things I can be doing with my life vs. sitting a car for half a day.
Co-workers are the #2 (haha! I said #2) thing that makes my job awesome. There was a time that there was a co-worker that was such a turd, I wanted to punch them in the face daily and that just sucked the energy out of me so much. I woke up dreading those days.
I think if you are up front with your current employer, the door could stay open if it turns into something crappy. But you said you also had a third option too? You're still young! Take a chance!!!! Do it!!!!
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A bad office culture is never worth the extra money.
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This reads more like a humblebrag than anything else. "Hey guys, I got two job offers with significant salary boosts, one from my dream firm, should I consider them?"

No, don't consider those positions. Go to your current VP and beg for forgiveness, ask him to reduce your salary for even thinking about leaving.
Well, no, it wasn't meant to be. I am quite conflicted with feelings of loyalty, not being seen as a flake, leaving my reports in limbo.
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