2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Fedotenko trade Won the lightning a cup - so as I fan I’d hope Feaster would make that trade every day of the week.

That second trade was actually still Dudley in 2000 and not Feaster yet.

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

I also forgot to mention that most of those examples are pre-cap which has changed the landscape for most trades. The value of ELC and picks has increase dramatically now that every team has to play by the same rules.

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How dare you guys try to ruin the narrative!

[H2SO4(aq)]

I havent been really paying attention to the draft since we are basically skipping it this year, what’s the quality/ depth supposed to be? This a yakapov esq year or what? Heard often that Brady is poverty Matthew and yet he’s ranked 3rd?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

I havent been really paying attention to the draft since we are basically skipping it this year, what’s the quality/ depth supposed to be? This a yakapov esq year or what? Heard often that Brady is poverty Matthew and yet he’s ranked 3rd?

Consensus high end 1 and 2 overall and then the next 5-7 or so are pretty tight. Top 2 or 3 rounds are supposed to be pretty deep.

But I agree wake me up when June ends.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

I havent been really paying attention to the draft since we are basically skipping it this year, what’s the quality/ depth supposed to be? This a yakapov esq year or what? Heard often that Brady is poverty Matthew and yet he’s ranked 3rd?

I have heard that Brady may have more skill upside than Matthew and that the 1st round drops off after about the 7th pick. But the depth in general after in the rest of the 1st and 2nd round is decent. Lots of hair splitting at that point.

Just second hand hearsay though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have heard that Brady may have more skill upside than Matthew and that the 1st round drops off after about the 7th pick. But the depth in general after in the rest of the 1st and 2nd round is decent. Lots of hair splitting at that point.

Just second hand hearsay though.

I don't see how someone could predict that Brady has more skill upside. Matt's scoring numbers are better at every level. In this draft Matt would be neck and neck for 2OA I bet.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see how someone could predict that Brady has more skill upside. Matt's scoring numbers are better at every level. In this draft Matt would be neck and neck for 2OA I bet.

Same reason Jared Stall had the most skill upside...

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see how someone could predict that Brady has more skill upside. Matt's scoring numbers are better at every level. In this draft Matt would be neck and neck for 2OA I bet.

Pretty sure it was Matt himself who said it in some interviews, and I really think it's just him pumping his brothers tires, because there is absolutely no evidence to back it up.

US National Under-17 Team
Matt GP: 33 G:5 A:12 Pts:17
Brady GP: 32 G: 4 A:4 Pts: 8

US National Under-18 Team
Matt GP 24 G: 13 A:20 Pts: 33
Brady GP 24 G: 12 A: 11 Pts:23

18 Year old Season
Matt - OHL - GP 57 G:30 A:77 Pts:107 Playoffs GP: 18 G:20 A:20 Pts:40
Brady - Boston U - GP 40 G:8 A:23 Pts:31

So, Matt and Brady put up similar goal totals on the US National development teams, but Matt blew him away in total points.

In their draft years, Matt put up a total of 50 goals and 97 assists for 147 points in his OHL Season/Playoffs, while Brady put up 31 points in college hockey.

NHLE shows 147 point in 75 OHL games to translate to 49.18 Points in the NHL. (First two season: 48pts, 49pts.)
Brady's 31 points in Hockey-East translate to 23.89 Points.

Matt Finished 5th in OHL regular season points, and second in the playoffs, 4 points behind linemate Mitch Marner
Brady didn't finish in the top 10 in Hockey East scoring, though was 4th in Assists.

I'm sure Brady will become a decent NHL player, but I see him being much closer to the development path of Sam Bennett than I do of his brother. 3 years from now, whoever drafts Brady Tkachuk top 5 is going to be complaining the same way some do about Bennett going #4.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by wretched34

Pretty sure it was Matt himself who said it in some interviews, and I really think it's just him pumping his brothers tires, because there is absolutely no evidence to back it up.

US National Under-17 Team
Matt GP: 33 G:5 A:12 Pts:17
Brady GP: 32 G: 4 A:4 Pts: 8

US National Under-18 Team
Matt GP 24 G: 13 A:20 Pts: 33
Brady GP 24 G: 12 A: 11 Pts:23

18 Year old Season
Matt - OHL - GP 57 G:30 A:77 Pts:107 Playoffs GP: 18 G:20 A:20 Pts:40
Brady - Boston U - GP 40 G:8 A:23 Pts:31

So, Matt and Brady put up similar goal totals on the US National development teams, but Matt blew him away in total points.

In their draft years, Matt put up a total of 50 goals and 97 assists for 147 points in his OHL Season/Playoffs, while Brady put up 23 points in college hockey.

Matt Finished 5th in OHL regular season points, and second in the playoffs, 4 points behind linemate Mitch Marner
Brady didn't finish in the top 10 in Hockey East scoring, though was 4th in Assists.

I'm sure Brady will become a decent NHL player, but I see him being much closer to the development path of Sam Bennett than I do of his brother. 3 years from now, whoever drafts Brady Tkachuk top 5 is going to be complaining the same way some do about Bennett going #4.

Also, remember when all of the Staal brothers always state how their younger brother was the best out of them all? I think this is just family being family.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Also, remember when all of the Staal brothers always state how their younger brother was the best out of them all? I think this is just family being family.

PK always said the same about Jordan

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Also, remember when all of the Staal brothers always state how their younger brother was the best out of them all? I think this is just family being family.

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

PK always said the same about Jordan

I can't find a quote and have no recollection of it but I will almost guarantee Gretzky said one of his brothers was better. Of course, Gretzky always pumps tires of every player he talks about. And he might have said it drunk.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by wretched34

Pretty sure it was Matt himself who said it in some interviews, and I really think it's just him pumping his brothers tires, because there is absolutely no evidence to back it up.

There's more to player projections that just translating USHL or CHL scoring to the NHL level. It's largely about projecting how a player's game will translate to the NHL once they're fully developed. Which is why you often see players who puts up piles of points in the CHL drafted lower than other players their age who up far fewer points.

In the case of Brady Tkachuk, he projects higher than his brother because he's bigger and a better skater.

[sureLoss]

It is interesting though.

There were people dismissing Matthew as overrated because his offensive stats were "boosted" by Matthews in the USNTDP and Dovark and Marner in London.

Now that Brady has lesser stats not playing with some of the same talent, he is overrated because of his last name.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There's more to player projections that just translating USHL or CHL scoring to the NHL level. It's largely about projecting how a player's game will translate to the NHL once they're fully developed. Which is why you often see players who puts up piles of points in the CHL drafted lower than other players their age who up far fewer points.

In the case of Brady Tkachuk, he projects higher than his brother because he's bigger and a better skater.

Its easy to subconsciously use one brother as a comparable and perhaps overestimate the other's potential.

Jordan Staal over Toews, Backstrom ,and Kessel as an example.

[sureLoss]

In Duha's latest interview with Treliving on the Athletic:

But that’s where we’ve directed our energies. I’d rather take some value swings than give somebody six years at $6.5 million – if that makes any sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Same reason Jared Stall had the most skill upside...

But what about Jarret Stoll.

[Roof-Daddy]

One good thing about the Sens being such an unrelenting tire fire is that maybe Mark Stone will ask to be traded as well. His buddy and former junior line mate play here, oh and also his brother.

Just sayin...

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

In Duha's latest interview with Treliving on the Athletic:

Value swings instead of over paying an aging UFA?

Sign me up.

Auston Czarnik come on down.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

In Duha's latest interview with Treliving on the Athletic:

Maloney also said as much in an interview last week with Flames.com so this is clearly the plan moving forward regarding FA. Which is good.

So yeah, welcome aboard Derek Ryan?

That being said, if a 1 for 1 deal that evens out the money is there (say Brodie for Niederreiter as suggested on CP) the Flames could still make a splash.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There's more to player projections that just translating USHL or CHL scoring to the NHL level. It's largely about projecting how a player's game will translate to the NHL once they're fully developed. Which is why you often see players who puts up piles of points in the CHL drafted lower than other players their age who up far fewer points.

In the case of Brady Tkachuk, he projects higher than his brother because he's bigger and a better skater.

That's fair, but I feel like that is more often the case when you get a small guy, such as Gaudreau, who puts up huge points against kids, but you know may struggle playing against much larger men.

Brady and Matt are so close in size, I highly doubt the possible inch in height Brady may have on Matt is pushing him up the draft board. This isn't Freddie and Dougie Hamilton.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Its easy to subconsciously use one brother as a comparable and perhaps overestimate the other's potential.

Jordan Staal over Toews, Backstrom ,and Kessel as an example.

But Brady was being touted as a top prospect before Tkachuk established himself in the NHL.