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[Swift]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think that's an assumption that can be challenged. In Europe with not tipping the service is ####e at a lot of places. Maybe it's culture?

I think it's culture moreso. Let's take tipping out of the equation and talk about a grocery store cashier as an example. Here they're friendly, smiley "how's your day going?" whereas I can only talk about UK/Ireland but it's often sour faced "wtf do you want?" type service.

[zukes]

Vaccine conspiracy theories! Now there is belief that Damar Hamlin died on the field, that the Feds showed up at he hospital to cover it up and the government and NFL paid off everyone to go along with it, used a body double at the game last weekend where he attended, oh and when he does an interview it will be with a clone that they have developed since his death!!!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

That makes no sense . At best you would get the same level of service ….

If there is zero incentive to give “great” service , because of fixed wages , you believe the service level would go up??

And prioritizing throughout is exactly what a patron should want . When my drink is close to empty I get asked if I want another.

I go to Europe for business almost monthly , and I can tell you how often you are sitting with an empty drink or waiting for a good order while servers are chatting in the corner

In fact , tipping in Europe is gaining more traction and I have seen places that have tipping the service is exponentially better

Typo on my part

Through put and bill total is what is incentivized not service.

I notice you said that you get good food service in food courts where tips are not expected. So clearly the tip is not what drives good service in Canada.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GGG

I notice you said that you get good food service in food courts where tips are not expected. So clearly the tip is not what drives good service in Canada.

Immigrants and under 18 usually work these jobs . Both works hard without tips

Plus you can’t really not work “hard” at a food court . You are standing in front of a client on an assembly line of production optimized for throughput. Where at a restaurant or bar it’s easy to stand around talking or in the back
wasting time , etc

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Lots of things. Lots and lots of things.

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

One of the highest suicide rates in the world, dystopian work culture, aging population with low birth rates, high levels of misogyny and overt racism. But yea, they're tidy and don't tip

Originally Posted by Shazam

There was the whole invasion of China and Korea thing where they raped and pillaged. But they're amazing.

Jesus. So CP hates the Japanese. Alright alright I got it.

Yikes.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Jesus. So CP hates the Japanese. Alright alright I got it.

Yikes.

[shrug] You asked what Japan gets wrong, you got (several) answers. Doesn't mean CP hates the Japanese, it means that your view of Japan was shown to be through rose-coloured glasses.

Don't ask the question if you aren't prepared to hear the answer, I suppose.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Jesus. So CP hates the Japanese. Alright alright I got it.

Yikes.

LOL I agree with everything they say, yet my favorite place to vacation is Japan, but I must hate them.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

One of the highest suicide rates in the world, dystopian work culture, aging population with low birth rates, high levels of misogyny and overt racism

This is the future those that want to eliminate tipping are advocating for. Shameful.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Immigrants and under 18 usually work these jobs . Both works hard without tips

Plus you can’t really not work “hard” at a food court . You are standing in front of a client on an assembly line of production optimized for throughput. Where at a restaurant or bar it’s easy to stand around talking or in the back
wasting time , etc

So management and training drives behaviour. You can most certainly do a terrible job at fast food.

Also perhaps owners are hiring the wrong people for their restaurant jobs.

Or perhaps tipping and onlyfans has a lot more in common then most people are comfortable acknowledging.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

wait, what? what do onlyfans and tipping have in common? Do people tip on onlyfans due to societal pressure? Or that onlyfans should get rid of tipping?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

wait, what? what do onlyfans and tipping have in common? Do people tip on onlyfans due to societal pressure? Or that onlyfans should get rid of tipping?

Onlyfans is interested in a lot more than just the tip.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

wait, what? what do onlyfans and tipping have in common? Do people tip on onlyfans due to societal pressure? Or that onlyfans should get rid of tipping?

Tipping is popular because it gives old men a feeling of power over attractive young women. Also popular for the same reason it gives old men power over POCs.

It’s about the perception of control.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

wait, what? what do onlyfans and tipping have in common? Do people tip on onlyfans due to societal pressure? Or that onlyfans should get rid of tipping?

I believe he mentioned tipped positions where the employees are younger, whiter, and more attractive than non tip type positions.

Restaurant/bar servers in many places wear the little black dress like a work uniform (and I think it'soften a requirement). I doubt that's because it's the most comfortable clothing to wear while you carry food.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GGG

Tipping is popular because it gives old men a feeling of power over attractive young women. Also popular for the same reason it gives old men power over POCs.

It’s about the perception of control.

I'd liken tipping less to rape and more to sex appeal or general attractiveness.

But men aren't the only ones who tip so I'm not really sure where you factor that in.

It's just a fact that better looking people are treated better in society. That's more likely the cause.

I've never got the impression from anyone I've ever met or my own tipping experiences that tipping is about control over young women. I tipped my male server last night and it was the exact same tip I would have left a woman because I just hit the preprogrammed button on the machine for 18%.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I'd liken tipping less to rape and more to sex appeal or general attractiveness.

But men aren't the only ones who tip so I'm not really sure where you factor that in.

It's just a fact that better looking people are treated better in society. That's more likely the cause.

I've never got the impression from anyone I've ever met or my own tipping experiences that tipping is about control over young women. I tipped my male server last night and it was the exact same tip I would have left a woman because I just hit the preprogrammed button on the machine for 18%.

You're not a creepy old man though.

I've had former coworkers say they tip based on "talent".

Where the quotes around talent were him making air quotes above his chest.

[Geraldsh]

Read some old books and watch some old movies and you’ll see that tipping was done prior to performance to ensure decent service. Tip the maître de to get a good table and so on.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by GGG

Tipping is popular because it gives old men a feeling of power over attractive young women. Also popular for the same reason it gives old men power over POCs.

It’s about the perception of control.

People tip grocery baggers. People tip housekeepers. People tip concierges. People tip baggage handlers. People tip taxi drivers.

I think your premise is pretty misguided.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Read some old books and watch some old movies and you’ll see that tipping was done prior to performance to ensure decent service. Tip the maître de to get a good table and so on.

Bar tabs and tipping bar staff isn’t a thing here in the vast majority of places. So when I go to the bar for my first drink, I always finish my order with, “and a drink for yourself”. The server either puts one on the bill for him/herself or takes a few quid.

For the rest of the night I then tend to get served pretty fast.

I learnt this from working in a pub during my student days. If someone bought me a drink, I looked out for them for the rest of the night to make sure they got served quickly.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by 81MC

People tip grocery baggers. People tip housekeepers. People tip concierges. People tip baggage handlers. People tip taxi drivers.

I think your premise is pretty misguided.

Not just misguided but fataing weird. I tipped the dude who installed my hot water tank last week ffs. I've had guys tip me at my job to buy myself lunch...pretty sure they didn't want to fata me and I highly doubt I'm sexy to very many guys out there.