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Old 10-15-2021, 10:45 AM   #101
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I donít understand the focus on Gudbranson when by all reports Zadorov was lacklustre in the preseason, cost us a 3rd, and clearly wants term and an AAV well above what his contributions would dictate.

At least Gudbranson was a FA add and shoots right, which also is important to consider given how many good young LHD we have.
Well, he hasn't received those things, and will have to earn them, so no worries.
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Old 10-15-2021, 11:14 AM   #102
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I don’t understand the focus on Gudbranson when by all reports Zadorov was lacklustre in the preseason, cost us a 3rd, and clearly wants term and an AAV well above what his contributions would dictate.
Zadorov at least has a history of competent top six play, especially in 2019 when he was paired with Ian Cole, which is about as close to Tanev as it gets.

Maybe he's overpaid, maybe he's even our fourth-best LD, but he's an NHL player.

Historically Gudbranson has... not been at least that.

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Well, he hasn't received those things, and will have to earn them, so no worries.
Well, yes and no. His current aav sets his qualifying offer pretty high, so the Flames will probably have to not qualify him, in which case we threw another 3rd away if he can't at least show one team he is worth his QO.
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Old 10-15-2021, 11:28 AM   #103
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Zadorov at least has a history of competent top six play, especially in 2019 when he was paired with Ian Cole, which is about as close to Tanev as it gets.

Maybe he's overpaid, maybe he's even our fourth-best LD, but he's an NHL player.

Historically Gudbranson has... not been at least that.



Well, yes and no. His current aav sets his qualifying offer pretty high, so the Flames will probably have to not qualify him, in which case we threw another 3rd away if he can't at least show one team he is worth his QO.
How is it throwing away a 3rd round pick if the guy plays a year in the top four when the team (Sutter/Treliving) felt they needed him?
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Old 10-15-2021, 11:34 AM   #104
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Would have loved if the had brought Jake Bean in for a 2nd rnd pick. Oh well.
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With Seattle scooping up a bunch of D this season, it was more slim pickings in the trade and FA market than usual.

That being said Gudbranson is still a head scratcher.
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Old 10-15-2021, 12:04 PM   #106
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I have seen a lot of 'Gudbranson sucks, why is he here' posts. Yes, I wasn't a fan of this signing, but it is hardly a stretch to figure out why he really is here.



What did this team set out to do in the off-season? I would say two things - become better defensively, and become much more difficult to play against and intimidating. Heck, Gudbranson is the 2nd 'scariest' player on the Flames right now, and he prevented Mackey from probably getting beat-up for being 'hard to play against' himself. Some people were upset with that, but I know I would much rather have Gudbranson taking care of that stuff that Mackey or whomever else.


We also know that Sutter reached out to him in the off-season. Obviously Sutter sees a role for him. I also assume that Sutter feels he can work with him, no? I am keeping my mind open on this one. I bet he will improve and provide Calgary with a lot of unnoticeable minutes. Why? That's what he did in Anaheim, Pittsburgh and Nashville, according to their fans. I bothered to go and look up their reactions, and they seemed to universally like him and wish that he was on their team still. I think the problem with Gudbranson is that he played too far up the lineup in Vancouver and Ottawa.



With that being said, Regehr was not the Regehr we remember until Sutter got his hands on him. Maybe he can really work with Gudbranson too? I am not saying he is going to quickly turn Gudbranson into Regehr 2.0, but what I am saying is that players often improve - especially defensively - when they buy-in and are given good coaching. Maybe - just maybe - Gudbranson is one of these under Sutter?



I think Zadorov was much worse during the preseason. I am terrified when the puck is on his stick, as his propensity for giving the puck away seemed pretty high. However, once again, I expect Zadorov to also improve. One thing about Zadorov is that I don't think he has ever been looked at as a 'steady defensive defencemen', and this is why he moves around. If there was a single defencemen in the NHL that I felt could turn into a Regehr 2.0, it would actually be him, given his mobility for a big man.



I am excited at what Sutter can turn both Zadorov and Gudbranson into. I worry a lot less actually about Gudbranson since I know he will be playing more limited minutes and against lesser quality of opposition. Maybe I would have been more livid like some posters are if Ward or Gulutzan were the coaches here. I just think that Sutter has a fairly decent track record of making defencemen like these useful, and sometimes even great. These are two big men with agility (yes, even Gudbranson - not a burner, but pretty good skating for a big man, that's for sure).


Instead of worrying about it or being all upset over it, I look at Kylington, Valimaki, Stone and Mackey, and know that if Zadorov continues to just throw pucks away, or if Gudbranson starts getting walked every game, that they will find themselves 'in the rotation' at least. Sutter isn't shy about sitting stars, why would he be shy about sitting non-stars? I think that there is perhaps no better coach in the NHL at the moment to squeeze the most out of those two defencemen. For those reasons, I am going to continue keeping an open mind about the both of them, and expect them to eventually be 'unnoticeable minute munchers' for the most part (except for the occasional big hits by both of them, or the occasional fight by Gudbranson sticking up for a teammate). If they don't become that, then I get to see what the team with Valimaki, Kylington and one of Mackey or Stone permanently in the lineup looks like too.
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I'll preface this that I do not like the signing overall, but Gudbranson has an excellent reputation in the room. I realize that's the type of intangible that can drive folks nuts, but if you believe this group needed a bit of a culture change, and needed to replace some of the leadership that Gio provided - that could have been a factor
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Would have loved if the had brought Jake Bean in for a 2nd rnd pick. Oh well.
Yeah, would have done preferred that over Zadorov for a third with the Gubrandson singing
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I'll preface this that I do not like the signing overall, but Gudbranson has an excellent reputation in the room. I realize that's the type of intangible that can drive folks nuts, but if you believe this group needed a bit of a culture change, and needed to replace some of the leadership that Gio provided - that could have been a factor

For sure it is. Outside of Tanev we have a super young d core with not a ton of experience around the league.

I feel like Iím in the significant minority but I have no problem with the Gudbranson signing, aside from what feels like a short term overpay but not fussed.
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Old 10-15-2021, 03:25 PM   #110
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What was that Scotty Bowman quote? "If he's good in the room, leave him there"

No idea if Scotty actually said that but I get the gist of it.
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