The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I think the third option, that they feel Bernie was being suppressed by the DNC and complicit media, is also equally likely.

Ah the conspiracy angle.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by peter12

Ah the conspiracy angle.

I mean, is it a conspiracy? I think the DNC has been pretty obvious about their general dislike for Sanders. Conspiracies are usually well, hidden.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Ah the conspiracy angle.

aka the clear truth to anyone open to being honest angle

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

Some political research this there is no middle anymore you have Democrat’s and republicans and activating your base is far more important than an impossibly small group of swing voters.

Except the base of the Democrats is church-going 55 year old black women and suburban soccer moms; not 30 year old dudes who listen to the Chapo Trap House podcast and subscribe to the r/politics subreddit.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I mean, is it a conspiracy? I think the DNC has been pretty obvious about their general dislike for Sanders. Conspiracies are usually well, hidden.

Well, yes... Sanders' campaign threatens the viability of the DNC. Sanders doesn't seem to get that there would be some pretty obvious pushback.

As many have said, and as I agree, he probably shouldn't be running as a Democrat.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Domoic

I didn't say it was.

But thanks for reply.

Right, but you asked why it was sanders if we look at it through an Albertan lens. If that’s what the poll was, the results would be very different.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Great work to the Biden campaign. Kind of sucks when the outsider candidate can't figure out why they are the outsider until it is too late. Oh well, Sanders will scupper the party's chances by keeping them at each other's throats until the last minute

Yeah, he should have been sucking corporate America's #### like everyone else if he wanted to get ahead in politics.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's those 'dead weight centrist Dems in Congress' who won back the House in 2018, delivering almost all of the red-to-blue flips, including several in key swing states. And they won in just the kind of suburban districts that are backing Biden. If you think pushing moderates out of those districts will mean more progressive Democrats in the House, rather than more Republicans, you're delusional.



https://www.thirdway.org/one-pager/t...ocrats-in-2020

Do you think progressive voters didn't turn out in those districts?

As has been pointed out, the Democrats need high voter turnout to win. How does Biden get the 18-40 progressive crowd to turn out?

[CaptainCrunch]

The bottom line to me, is that even if Sanders somehow miraculously got the nomination, miraculously won the Presidency, he'd end up fighting a war on two fronts to get anything done.


Of course the Republican's in the houses would completely block him. But the Middle Ground Democrats are going to block him as well.

[GirlySports]

Sanders would establish a politburo

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I mean, I’m younger than you and there’s no way I’d vote for Bernie. Heavy sympathizing with straight up communist regimes like the USSR and Cuba as shown in all these video and audio clips would be a top 5 reason I’d vote for basically anyone but him.

If you're more concerned about out of context videos from 30+ years ago than you are the by the current dude in the White House openly yucking it up with and praising authoritarian regimes during his time in power, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Do you think progressive voters didn't turn out in those districts?

As has been pointed out, the Democrats need high voter turnout to win. How does Biden get the 18-40 progressive crowd to turn out?

Trump?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Trump?

Simply not being the other guy isn't going to drive the youth vote. It didn't work for Hillary in 2016, it didn't work for John Kerry in 2004, and I'm highly doubtful it will work for Biden in 2020.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sanders would establish a politburo

Pffft - the playbook is easy. Kill all the bad people first. Then kill all the fellow travelers. Russia, Germany and China - solid blueprint.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Do you think progressive voters didn't turn out in those districts?

As has been pointed out, the Democrats need high voter turnout to win. How does Biden get the 18-40 progressive crowd to turn out?

Isn't the better question is Bernie really going to produce the highest turnout of young people in electoral history to beat Trump? Because based of the primary numbers, he's not really doing it. I think there's a major mistake in belief that because Bernie's supporters are fervent in their support of Bernie that they are also a massive amount of people. 1000 people screaming at the top of their lungs is louder than 5000 people whispering, but that obviously doesn't mean there are more of them. Bernie's numbers are not anywhere close to where they need to be to win the primary, let alone the general.

[GirlySports]

Youth might actually turn to Trump over Biden.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Simply not being the other guy isn't going to drive the youth vote. It didn't work for Hillary in 2016, it didn't work for John Kerry in 2004, and I'm highly doubtful it will work for Biden in 2020.

Here is the secret - nothing will drive the youth vote. They just rage on the interwebz.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Bloomberg out and is endorsing Biden

That Bloomberg campaign was just straight up idiotic. I mean it might have worked with Republican voters and $100 of millions in ads.

he should have just given every voter $50 to vote for him instead.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I love the narrative that Sanders couldn't get the voter turnout he needed once the moderates coalesced behind one candidate, which completely ignores the fact that Warren played spoiler yesterday by not dropping out.

If Bernie grabbed even a 1/3 of Warren's votes, we're likely having a much different conversation this morning.

If you take out both Warren and Bloomberg Biden does even better, truth is Bernie is a god awful candidate, both tactically, he had 4 years to build a black and female base and didn't bother, and practically, his speech's are terrible, he looks and sounds like an angry old white Grandpa, hunched over the podium going on and on about the minutia of his policies that no one other than his fan boys care about.

Biden may or may not be able to beat Trump and the progressives may one day have their day (which I would like) but if last night taught us one thing its that if Bernie cant turn out the vote in his own (and I use that term loosely) party, if he cant engage black and women voters, Latinos and blue collar union voters in the Democratic Party he has absolutely no chance of beating any Republican, especially Trump.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I love the narrative that Sanders couldn't get the voter turnout he needed once the moderates coalesced behind one candidate, which completely ignores the fact that Warren played spoiler yesterday by not dropping out.

If Bernie grabbed even a 1/3 of Warren's votes, we're likely having a much different conversation this morning.

Maybe he shouldn't have called her a liar on a national debate stage then..