05-11-2018, 12:22 PM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by icecube
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Quit playing identity politics, bro.
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05-11-2018, 01:13 PM
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#22
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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We built a life from nothing- white settler colonialism and the myth of meritocracy
https://www.policyalternatives.ca/si.../12/McLean.pdf
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The myth that Canadian society is created on individual work ethic ignores how racially dominant groups gain access to social and political power. This discourse also masks how racialized groups are denied access to these same resources and opportunities. The myth of meritocracy reinforces liberal individualism, providing the public with racist explanations for the vast inequalities that exists between Indigenous people and white settler society.
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The access my family had in the early 1900s to land, citizenship, public education, mobility rights, bank loans, and government relief during famine secured their upward mobility and our middle-class status. The political economy of white settler status has been handed down from one generation to the next.
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In the same historical moment that my family benefitted from their position as white citizens, Indigenous people faced policies of genocide. This included (but was not limited to) the ongoing theft and dispossession of lands, racist and sexist Indian Act legislation, the violence of residential schools, the regulation of Indigenous bodies through the Pass System (Williams, 2015), disenfranchisement, and government enforced starvation (Daschuk, 2014).
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05-11-2018, 01:46 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by icecube
The access my family had in the early 1900s to land, citizenship, public education, mobility rights, bank loans, and government relief during famine secured their upward mobility and our middle-class status. The political economy of white settler status has been handed down from one generation to the next.
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The same thing was experienced by African Americans post-WWII. The GI Bill was enacted so veterans returning from the war would be rewarded with affordable post-secondary education and low-rate mortgages. This directly resulted in a dramatic increase in the number of Americans who received a college education and owned their own home, leading to a huge swelling of the middle class during the 1950s.
Unfortunately, the benefits of the GI Bill were not applied equally. African Americans who served their nation during the war just as honourably as their white countrymen were far more likely to have their applications for GI Bill benefits denied due to institutional racism. So while huge swarms of white Americans were able to enter the middle class and build wealth that has subsequently been inherited by their children and grandchildren, blacks have largely remained mired in poverty.
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Economic success in America is often seen as a reflection of what kind of family a person was born into, how hard they work, and what kinds of opportunites exist in the economy. Of course, though, the story goes much deeper than that. How well a person's parents were positioned financially tends to reflect the well-being of the family they grew up in and, in turn, how their parents and grandparents did.
In paticular, family wealth can take generations to build -- and confers advantages that grow over time. If your great-grandparents bought a home, chances are that your grandparents inherited at least some wealth from them. Which maybe means that your parents didn't have to take out loans to go to college and got a helping hand with a down payment for a house early in life in a neighborhood with top schools. Which means that you got a great public education instead of a lousy one, allowing you to get into a good college and set yourself up to confer advantages on your own kids. And so on.
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There are lots of reasons that whites have so much more wealth than nonwhites. How the GI Bill played out is one of those reasons. Whites were able to use the government guaranteed housing loans that were a pillar of the bill to buy homes in the fast growing suburbs. Those homes subsequently rose greatly in value in coming decades, creating vast new household wealth for whites during the postwar era.
But black veterans weren't able to make use of the housing provisions of the GI Bill for the most part. Banks generally wouldn't make loans for mortgages in black neighborhoods, and African-Americans were excluded from the suburbs by a combination of deed covenants and informal racism.
In short, the GI Bill helped fostered a long-term boom in white wealth but did almost nothing to help blacks to build wealth. We are still living with the effects of that exclusion today -- and will be for a long time to come.
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http://www.demos.org/blog/11/11/13/h...ican-americans
Last edited by MarchHare; 05-11-2018 at 01:59 PM.
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05-11-2018, 02:20 PM
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#24
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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I've seen the myth that First Nations failed at farming because they didn't understand it repeated on this board a few times. That myth should had been quashed a long time ago, so I think this belongs in this thread.
Indian Act and the Permit System
https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/indian-ac...-permit-system-
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Agriculture was chosen as the path for First Nations to follow towards “civilization”. Hayter Reed, Deputy Superintendent General of Indian Affairs from 1893 – 1897 stated “agriculture was the great panacea of what was perceived to be the ills of Canada’s Indians” [1]. This is despite the fact that many reserves were located in areas that were unsuitable for agriculture. Government agencies later used the low success rate of First Nation farmers as reason to reduce the size of reserves.
Indian agents and farm instructors worked with the First Nations to teach them how to farm………although raising crops such as corn or rice was not new to some cultures. In Saskatchewan in particular, some of the First Nation farmers were very successful and grew crops and produce, as good or better, than that produced by the settlers. They formed collectives to share the costs of new equipment and labour.
“At Duck Lake in 1891, six or seven Indians together purchased a self-binder with the approval of the farm instructor. The implement dealer had to acquire the consent of the agent, who was ordered by Inspector McGibbon to object to the sale. No sale or delivery took place.” [2]
The unexpected farming success quickly became a problem and new policies were developed to protect the market share for the settlers.
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05-11-2018, 03:19 PM
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#25
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Originally Posted by icecube
I've seen the myth that First Nations failed at farming because they didn't understand it repeated on this board a few times.
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Can you link to those comments?
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05-11-2018, 03:37 PM
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#26
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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Originally Posted by The Fonz
Can you link to those comments?
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No, but If you want to go through CliffFletcher's old posts to find it then be my guest.
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05-11-2018, 03:41 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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05-11-2018, 03:43 PM
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#28
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
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Are you going to pretend you didn't write that?
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05-11-2018, 03:46 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Why would you make such claims without quoting the posts?
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05-11-2018, 03:50 PM
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#30
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Why would you make such claims without quoting the posts?
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First of all it's not a claim. It's a fact.
Secondly, I dont feel like it.
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05-11-2018, 03:51 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary
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I can't wait for this thread to be locked when someone inevitably crosses the line and gets too worked up- although that will be an epic ban, I am certain. Hope I don't miss the rant.
Then, certain posters will then cry for years (in other totally random threads) about how racist and oppressive certain other members are/are not.
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05-11-2018, 03:52 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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Originally Posted by icecube
Are you going to pretend you didn't write that?
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I gotchoo fam.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...7&postcount=26
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Natives of the time had no skills suitable for employment. The buffalo hunt was over. Even the market for furs (which can only employ a limited number of people in the first place) collapsed. Natives did not know how to farm (which was how about 80 per cent of Canadians made a living), and efforts to teach them had failed. Most were illiterate, at a time when literacy was increasingly important to getting a job and managing your own affairs. It seemed pretty clear to those in authority at the time that leaving natives to be raised in isolated communities could lead only to more generations of abject poverty, illiteracy, and estrangement from wider society.
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Settle down there, Temple Grandin.
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05-11-2018, 04:01 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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This thread isn't about nuanced discussions, just a place to out people who made reasonably accurate historical references and tar and feather them. Nevermind that said person might be from the background of the topic at hand.
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05-11-2018, 04:04 PM
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#34
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
This thread isn't about nuanced discussions, just a place to out people who made reasonably accurate historical references and tar and feather them. Nevermind that said person might be from the background of the topic at hand.
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You dont get to dictate what the narrative of this thread is or isnt. Get lost if you dont want to contribute.
I didn't bring up any posters name until prodded.
Thread's too important to get de-railed so kindly buzz off if you have nothing constructive or feel free to PM me.
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05-11-2018, 04:07 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by icecube
Thread's too important to get de-railed
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Hahahahahahaha. Amazing.
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"The great promise of the Internet was that more information would automatically yield better decisions. The great disappointment is that more information actually yields more possibilities to confirm what you already believed anyway." - Brian Eno
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05-11-2018, 04:07 PM
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#36
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Lol I think you need to go to the ice machine and chill out icecube!
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05-11-2018, 04:07 PM
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#37
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Wow.
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05-11-2018, 04:08 PM
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#38
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Participant
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
This thread isn't about nuanced discussions, just a place to out people who made reasonably accurate historical references and tar and feather them. Nevermind that said person might be from the background of the topic at hand.
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Granted, you might think that because of the 30+ posts in this thread there has been one instance of it, but no, it’s not “just a place to out people who made reasonable accurate historical references.”
Jesus, one thread highlighting some poor behaviour around the world and people are coming out of the woodwork dismissing the thread, dissing the libs, and talking about a better future when it’s locked up.
...ok, I know only two people have done that. But surely it’s better than one...
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05-11-2018, 04:09 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Hahahahahahaha. Amazing.
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C'mon, we totally need a thread on a forum about a Canadian hockey team that is (so far) mostly stories of American racism in general! Every forum needs one!
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05-11-2018, 04:09 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary - Centre West
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Originally Posted by icecube
I didn't bring up any posters name until prodded.
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And couldn't be arsed to actually quote them, making someone else do your legwork for you. "It's not a claim. It's a fact." No, it's a claim until you actually provide evidence of your statement having some truth to it.
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Originally Posted by icecube
Thread's too important to get de-railed so kindly buzz off if you have nothing constructive or feel free to PM me.
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If the thread is that important, maybe don't be so lazy next time.
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