Well, we know there are several chokepoints (not to mention thousands of miles) between Winterfell and King's Landing. The Neck and Moat Cailin. The Twins. The Trident. Harrenhal and the God's Eye. Their strategic importance has been painstakingly established earlier in the series.
Which is why I expect we'll have a scene of an army departing Winterfell, followed by a scene with said army forming up outside the walls of King's Landing.
Lol probably. Don't have time for all the battles and pit stops Robb made. The least they can do is show that a couple months have passed travelling. Maybe a slightly pregnant Dany and people are healed from their wounds.
It looks like Cersei wants to insulate herself rather than march north. The GC are not familiar with the lands and she is no tactical general. It looks like she is using the civilians as a sort of human shield (maybe promising to protect them as they're pictured in the promo inside the keep gate), so if Dany attacks it makes her look bad and fearsome, just like her father.
Looks like they're setting up an assassination mission for Arya, which I expect to go sideways.
I thought that Jon would not be the one to kill the Night King. It makes sense because it would be so telegraphed. Like Beric, he was brought back to play a part.
Beric needed to provide space for her to escape the dead in the hall to get to Melisandra. He kept getting brought back because he was needed to be that Berricade.
Can I just say how great the Jesus Christ Pose was in that scene?
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Jon screaming what sounded like Gooooo go go makes sense. It created that small window for Arya to sneak through, run like hell and do what needed to be done.
At first watch, I completely missed this. I thought he was just screaming at the dragon which in hindsight seems ridiculous. But after rewatching it makes more sense.
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Some of you really need to stop whinging.
Are you gatekeeping a thread about a television show?
I was a few days late on this one. It's been harder to avoid episode 3 spoilers than End Game spoilers.
Wow, that was a masterclass in how to keep your audience on the edge of their seat for 80 minutes. I think it might have been one of the most amazingly epic episodes of television ever but can't really confirm since I couldn't see much of anything. There was many a squint with lots of "who was that?" and "did they just die?" between my wife and I.
I loved loved loved the ending. I spent most of the build up going "oh no this is not good at all, I really hope Bran and the Red Woman have some sort of crazy plan". They set up Arya was going to do something very important but made me forget about it by making me think I was about to see an epic fight between the NK and Jon. Then we get the more realistic conclusion with the NK raising the dead and using his dragon to stop Jon while later being taken out by the most deadly assassin in Westeros at the moment all hope looks lost. Damn well done writers. As cliche as the whole kill the mothership ending is they did a really good job on this one.
I was thinking a couple things at the end though. When the NK was approaching Bran I got a Breaking Bad vibe and was hoping Walter White had wired up some explosives to that wheelchair as a last resort. I also got an Infinity War vibe when Arya attacked the NK and was like he better not say "you should've gone for the head"!
Can we please discuss military strategy a bit more? Jon knows nothing about military strategy and Dany is pretty weak herself but couldn't someone at Winterfell have come up with a better plan? Jamie, Tyrion, and Grey Worm were all there. Not to mention you'd think Sam would have read at least one book or two on military strategy. Sending all your cavalry in a night charge in bad weather against an unscouted enemy was just dumb, as was the placement of catapults, lack of secondary trenches, the delay in lighting the trench, the failure of 2 to 1 air superiority, and use of archers to name a few. I would have dug some secondary trenches to delay the wights and move them into 4 killing zones for the dragons, Dothraki, Unsullied, and knights. Keep the two dragons together and on the attack at all times to make the other dragon come to you and make use of your advantage. I guess other than not seeing much this is my other gripe with the episode. It seemed like a plot device to get rid of most of the army before the denouement.
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The overly cynical posts are starting to get a bit much. You're reposting videos from r/freefolk a subreddit designed for #### posting and that encourages leaks and spoilers to be posted elsewhere.
It's one thing to post thoughts and opinions. It's a little much to essential reiterate the same criticisms endlessly.
Can we please discuss military strategy a bit more? Jon knows nothing about military strategy and Dany is pretty weak herself but couldn't someone at Winterfell have come up with a better plan? Jamie, Tyrion, and Grey Worm were all there. Not to mention you'd think Sam would have read at least one book or two on military strategy.
Military strategy was pretty abandoned as a thing in GoT somewhere in the 4th or 5th season. I know people here hate it when GRRM is brought up, but the guy read ####loads of history and historical fiction, and depicted somewhat sensible strategies in the books, that made it into the early seasons. Once the show-runners took over the story, real-world military considerations were abandoned entirely in favour of spectacle.
I mean Brienne, whose experience in command consists of leading a single squire for a couple years, was given commend of the left wing at Winterfell. Many thousands of soldiers, none of whom she had ever commanded or even met. Why? Because she's a main character. Everything in the show at this point, every action, strategy, and event, serves only on-screen spectacle and emotional payoff.
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I haven’t seen anything that would make me think anyone is just constantly ####posting the same crap repeatedly, positive or negative.
What’s most interesting is how varied the opinions are on this episode. I thought it fell well short of the best GOT episodes, my expectations and other big screen battles, like Helms Deep, but at the same time was far from a failure and was generally an enjoyable 80 minutes.
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I just think it's human nature for people to build up unrealistic expectations in their mind about just about everything, leading to less enjoyment of things in general. People are really good at complaining these days, yet it accomplishes absolutely nothing.
As a whole the battle was imperfect, but it had so many juicy moments throughout and built up such a feeling of dread and sustained it so long that I doubt that even the most critical people were not on the edge of their seat until the final 5 minutes. It was anything but tame or boring.
I was more viscerally affected by that episode than endgame, which I enjoyed but thought also played it safe for the most part, and that's why I have to give them some props for that episode. You can't get much literally and figuratively darker than that. No one here was not uncomfortable watching the dothraki get snuffled out and a tsunami of dead come pouring out of the darkness at the heroes. Never seen anything like it, and I'm glad I did. But alas, people are going to overlook those moments to fulfill their agenda of dissatisfaction if that's their filter for how they view things. You can either look for fun (it's entertainment after all), or look for every which way people slaving away for 55 nights to bring this to your screen didn't align with every specific thing you imagined.
To each their own I suppose.
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The more I think about the episode, the more I love it. This episode was perfectly in line with the theme of Game of Throne and importantly, it had the characters do what we expect of them.
Everyone had their own expectations and the show does exactly what it always has: Be unexpected. The threat beyond the wall, building up for 8 years, did cause devastation, but that doesn't mean it has to spread all over Westeros. It ended at Winterfell. That's it, no one saw it coming.
I am really looking forward to the last three episodes. We all had an idea of what will happen in the first three episodes...but i think we are in for a crazy second half of the season.
Night King did what the Dothraki did. Dothraki got all excited and charged in haphazardly, possibly against the plan. At the same time, Night King just walks right up to Bran so carelessly and pays the same price.
Night King did what the Dothraki did. Dothraki got all excited and charged in haphazardly, possibly against the plan. At the same time, Night King just walks right up to Bran so carelessly and pays the same price.
In fairness, he did have a whole crew of Walkers right behind him.
I just think it's human nature for people to build up unrealistic expectations in their mind about just about everything, leading to less enjoyment of things in general. People are really good at complaining these days, yet it accomplishes absolutely nothing.
As a whole the battle was imperfect, but it had so many juicy moments throughout and built up such a feeling of dread and sustained it so long that I doubt that even the most critical people were not on the edge of their seat until the final 5 minutes. It was anything but tame or boring.
I was more viscerally affected by that episode than endgame, which I enjoyed but thought also played it safe for the most part, and that's why I have to give them some props for that episode. You can't get much literally and figuratively darker than that. No one here was not uncomfortable watching the dothraki get snuffled out and a tsunami of dead come pouring out of the darkness at the heroes. Never seen anything like it, and I'm glad I did. But alas, people are going to overlook those moments to fulfill their agenda of dissatisfaction if that's their filter for how they view things. You can either look for fun (it's entertainment after all), or look for every which way people slaving away for 55 nights to bring this to your screen didn't align with every specific thing you imagined.
To each their own I suppose.
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