I kinda get the anger at this one. "Sean McIrishguy" and "Gaston le Frenchdude" whose forebears immigrated in the 1800s or whatever are just never called immigrants. White people in North America often just aren't, even when they fit the definition of an immigrant to a tee.
I kinda get the anger at this one. "Sean McIrishguy" and "Gaston le Frenchdude" whose forebears immigrated in the 1800s or whatever are just never called immigrants. White people in North America often just aren't, even when they fit the definition of an immigrant to a tee.
Isn't that the Governor-General's whole point? That no matter when you came to Canada, you're an immigrant?
If only some Canadians are immigrants, then when do we draw the line?
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I know Wikipedia isn't a definitive source, but I do find it amusing that the very first line mirrors what the GG said.
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The history of immigration to Canada extends back thousands of years. Anthropologists continue to argue over various possible models of migration to modern-day Canada, as well as their pre-contact populations. The Inuit are believed to have arrived entirely separately from other indigenous peoples around 1200 CE. Indigenous peoples contributed significantly to the culture and economy of the early European colonies and as such have played an important role in fostering a unique Canadian cultural identity.
So if the Inuit arrived at 1200 and Europeans arrived at 1600ish, are the Inuit "immigrants" like the Europeans? Or is the line when white people showed up?
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Isn't that the Governor-General's whole point? That no matter when you came to Canada, you're an immigrant?
If only some Canadians are immigrants, then when do we draw the line?
No, I agree. And it's not a super meaningful point I'm making. Just saying that I understand where consternation might come from when dealing with this particular nomenclature in this context. I think from a first nation standpoint, the distinction between immigrants in prehistoric times versus post-colonization immigrants is meaningful.
If we're at the point where everyone is at least the 3rd generation of something, you're probably no longer an immigrant. Same applies to indigenous people. We've been a mixed society for long enough, time to end the fun and games (and most importantly, handouts), and get on like the rest of the society you so dearly wish to be seen as a part of.
Somebody always has to be offended by something in this PC world we now reside in.
This is just as stupid as most of the nonsense people waste their time worrying about.
Everybody is an immigrant at some point in their family history...unless they were born out of the ground and laid claim right then and there.
The irony in this is that people are getting all up in arms about people being all up in arms.
I mean seriously, how many people here were going around referring to aboriginals as immigrants before this came up? If you had never done so before I don't think it's too difficult to figure out why there were people who took exception with it. The Governer-General isn't an idiot and realized how it could be taken as offensive, so he apologized.
It almost seems possible that maybe some people are simply taking exception with aboriginals being offended period rather than what they are being offended by. I can't think of very many scenarios where people try to rationalize why someone shouldn't be offended by something that the offending party has already voluntarily apologized for.
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It seems the most offended people in this thread are the ones offended they can't go around calling indigenous people immigrants.
LOL!! Anyone can go around calling them immigrants all they like. No idea what you are even saying...well yes i do but im not engaging that crap either.
The simple thing to do in all this nonsense is to call everyone...Canadian!
But somehow these days everyone must be labelled something or not something or whatever.
When did the word immigrant take on a connotation of something bad anyhow?
Cause the only reason to be offended by this, or apologize for calling someone an immigrant is if it meant something derogatory...no?
Like I said unless the first nation were born from the soil of the imaginary lines that make up this nation, then yes, like everyone who was ever born on this soil, they all come from immigrants at one time or another.
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The irony in this is that people are getting all up in arms about people being all up in arms.
I mean seriously, how many people here were going around referring to aboriginals as immigrants before this came up? If you had never done so before I don't think it's too difficult to figure out why there were people who took exception with it. The Governer-General isn't an idiot and realized how it could be taken as offensive, so he apologized.
It almost seems possible that maybe some people are simply taking exception with aboriginals being offended period than what they are being offended by. I can't think of very many scenarios where people try to rationalize why someone shouldn't be offended by something that the offending party has already voluntarily apologized for.
No no no, whining about what people say is political correctness run amok and a sign of the downfall of our society. Whining about what people say about what other people say is just common sense and not at all like whining about what people say because of political correctness. See the difference?
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No no no, whining about what people say is political correctness run amok and a sign of the downfall of our society. Whining about what people say about what other people say is just common sense and not at all like whining about what people say because of political correctness. See the difference?
For starters, not every First Nations person is upset about this, so let's not pretend they are.
Secondly, we should always try to be sensitive, but it is getting harder and harder because some people are actively attempting to be victimized. This is not one of those occasions (although it is borderline ridiculous).
Isn't everyone here because someone either won a war or were displaced, and somehow your bloodline made it, including First Nations?
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