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boogerz · 03-25-2018, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That is ridiculously, completely untrue.
There is a reason Hartley is not coaching in the NHL. And the same reason Gulutzan won't be soon.

That is ridiculously, completely untrue. Hartley took two NHL franchises to the conference finals or better, and won the Jack Adams with another. The five year contract Hartley signed with the Latvian national team probably has more to do with him not being in the NHL than NHL teams not being interested.

GG on the other hand... AHL teams can keep him

EldrickOnIce · 03-25-2018, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by boogerz

That is ridiculously, completely untrue. Hartley took two NHL franchises to the conference finals or better, and won the Jack Adams with another. The five year contract Hartley signed with the Latvian national team probably has more to do with him not being in the NHL than NHL teams not being interested.

GG on the other hand... AHL teams can keep him

So remind me, which NHL team is Hartley coaching now?

Chonger · 03-25-2018, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Gully "hey we outchanced them, gotta tighten up defensively".

Broken record meme.

Just go back to the farm is sasky and bale some hay or something.

Please don't tell me he is from Sask to boot...

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Kybb79 · 03-25-2018, 02:47 AM

Im trying to remember the last time a Flames team rolled over like this? GG and his staff are horrible.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-25-2018, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So remind me, which NHL team is Hartley coaching now?

Same one as Scotty Bowman.

Please do better than this, what is your point?

The guy who fired him hired the guy who was an assistant coach on the team that he and his staff eliminated. Unceremoniously.

And who is the guy on the hot seat now, yes?

Last I will say on this due to the stupidity of the whole situation

Gulutzan is way worse than Hartley by so many measures

Aarongavey · 03-25-2018, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So remind me, which NHL team is Hartley coaching now?

Same team Darryl Sutter is, they are both losers and so inferior to GG. Posters that say otherwise do not understand hockey. SAD!

vilzeh · 03-25-2018, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So remind me, which NHL team is Hartley coaching now?

lmao

CliffFletcher · 03-25-2018, 06:18 AM

Funny to see people arguing over whether the problem with this team is the coaching or a lack of heart in the players. Can't it be both?

GranteedEV · 03-25-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Funny to see people arguing over whether the problem with this team is the coaching or a lack of heart in the players. Can't it be both?

This same core had a "worse" year in the standings two years ago where they were far better in those problem areas. In fact they spent that whole season without Tkachuk rather than a couple weeks.

Erick Estrada · 03-25-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Funny to see people arguing over whether the problem with this team is the coaching or a lack of heart in the players. Can't it be both?

It's possible but while it's clear coaching is a big problem, lack of heart is simply fan speculation. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes and the team is ravaged with injuries so there's plenty of reasons they are slumping to end the season. It's pretty crippling to have your top goal scorer basically playing at less than 50% for a while now and the loss of Tkachuk was crippling as well. This team simply doesn't have the depth to overcome multiple key players not able to play 100%. Players are human and maybe they just hit the wall with this coaching staff and in the back of their minds simply don't have confidence that this system is going to bring the results. I feel lack of heart is an overused term by fans as we simply have no idea what's really going on.

dammage79 · 03-25-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chonger

Please don't tell me he is from Sask to boot...

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Just looked it up. He is Manitobian! Sasky is safe for another day.

kyuss275 · 03-25-2018, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's possible but while it's clear coaching is a big problem, lack of heart is simply fan speculation. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes and the team is ravaged with injuries so there's plenty of reasons they are slumping to end the season. It's pretty crippling to have your top goal scorer basically playing at less than 50% for a while now and the loss of Tkachuk was crippling as well. This team simply doesn't have the depth to overcome multiple key players not able to play 100%. Players are human and maybe they just hit the wall with this coaching staff and in the back of their minds simply don't have confidence that this system is going to bring the results. I feel lack of heart is an overused term by fans as we simply have no idea what's really going on.

Ravaged by injuries? No more than any other team in the NHL .
There has been enough media reporting that things are not right behind the seens.
If posters still think it's just a coaching change that needs to be done then they are in for a surprise next season. A coaching change only for next year will get this team to the playoffs but that's about it. At best this fragile bunch of "nice" players would win a game or 2 in the first round.

Locke · 03-25-2018, 10:03 AM

Did we win the Corsi/Fenwick tho?

2ArmBands · 03-25-2018, 10:13 AM

The Gulutzan vs Hartley debate happening here is pretty funny. How can it even be a debate? Look at the resumes. Nobody will even remember who Gulutzan is in 5 years. I would be shocked if he ever gets another crack again.

The last couple weeks of hockey has been some of the lamest hockey I have seen since pre 04. One could argue we have seen worse results but I have never been so disappointed in a product as I have been recently. I am not certain I would be watching with the same sentiments if Bob was still behind the bench.

I will admit I am somewhat bias as the Vancouver Calgary "Line Brawl" clip showed up on my FB feed this morning. Man, I miss when this team had a backbone.

Looch City · 03-25-2018, 10:14 AM

So I just watched the highlights for this game....that Sharks shorthanded goal...hahaha that basically sums up the season.

So bad.

redforever · 03-25-2018, 10:32 AM

As far as I am concerned, GG quit on the players, not the other way around.

He was too stubborn to abandon his system which was clearly not working, he continually played bottom line guys that were not capable of making a difference in crucial situations, and he never had his team play to their strengths.

Just a loser any way you look at it. His concentration on the x's and o's will never produce a winning hockey team. And I don't buy into the argument that he is a smart man either. His decisions on the ice prove otherwise.

CGY12 · 03-25-2018, 10:40 AM

I wouldn't fire GG yet. Let the season finish. Only reason I say this is cause you completely embarrass GG firing him at this point (with so little time left) and although he deserves it (since December) its not exactly the way to attract other coaches. Wait till the 1st day the off season starts (day after the last game).

redforever · 03-25-2018, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CGY12

I wouldn't fire GG yet. Let the season finish. Only reason I say this is cause you completely embarrass GG firing him at this point (with so little time left) and although he deserves it (since December) its not exactly the way to attract other coaches. Wait till the 1st day the off season starts (day after the last game).

As far as I am concerned, the Flames should have cut their losses 18 months ago.

The winning streak the Flames went on last season was just an anomaly, not a precursor of success as was our winning streak this season..

dino7c · 03-25-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I mean, the FLames HAVE to sign him right? If only to keep him away from their net. If he signs with SJ or any other west team we're doomed. Guys become the new Ribiero.

It cost SJ a 1st to sign him...anyone else can do it for free

dino7c · 03-25-2018, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I admire your optimism and I don't really have any issue with your assessment of those players but you're trying to sell me the success of BT on the acquisition of a bunch of bottom 6 forwards, depth d-men, a 35 year old goalie who was good for half a season while giving away loads of picks when HIS team has been hovering around 15th-27th in the league standings for 4 seasons.

I just personally need more than that to have any faith that the guy making the calls.

Don't you want to see more success than a 15th place overall finish?

SJ added Kane at the deadline and they have been on a huge run since, BT didn't make that deal? Is that not a strike against Brad?

Winnipeg added Stastny when this team needs a depth centre man? Another miss?

I just see other teams making tons of fairly significant astute adds to their teams supplementing areas of weakness and I see BT not really doing much other than cycling through a bunch of goalies and tinkering with the defence.

Maybe I am really off on this one.

Astute? We shall see...those teams spent 1sts on rentals. Flames certainly were not in that position.

One team is winning the cup, we will see how astute those moves were in a couple months.