[News] Flames recall Mangiapane

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If Quine plays another NHL game or spends another 10 days on the NHL roster, he needs to clear waivers to be sent down to Stockton again.

Does that change after the trade deadline, or closer to the playoffs? Because Quine is the guy from Stockton I have most confidence in making a contribution to the lineup at this point.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Does that change after the trade deadline, or closer to the playoffs? Because Quine is the guy from Stockton I have most confidence in making a contribution to the lineup at this point.

There is no roster limit after the trade deadline, so if you can fit them under the salary cap you can bring them all up.

[Burner]

Time for Mangiapane to seize his opportunity. He hasnt been bad at the NHL level but also hasnt done anything to make himself noticed. Hopefully he can jump all over this - if not its back to AHL with him

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Robbob

There is no roster limit after the trade deadline, so if you can fit them under the salary cap you can bring them all up.

There is no roster limit, but waiver rules still apply.

[GranteedEV]

Eatbread is a pure goalscorer, not unlike James Neal. These guys are slumping at the NHL level, but they have the skill to pour in back to back hat tricks. The Flames are being patient because the skill is there.

Biggest issue is that Mangiapane has had to play with two centers that haven't worked for him. Jankowski struggles to really push offense and Ryan is weak and undersized. It's the same issue that's held Neal back.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Ped

There is no roster limit, but waiver rules still apply.

True, but other than the 4 recall rule and salary, there is no reason to send a player down if you have the cap space.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Robbob

True, but other than the 4 recall rule and salary, there is no reason to send a player down if you have the cap space.

After the trade deadline you know you don't need the cap space for a new acquisition. So you save as much as possible until then.

[Flash Walken]

Not reading a ton of compelling arguments for why the flames maxed out quines games before waivers kick in, recalled rychel for 2 and mangiapane for 13 but Lazar gets 0.

Lazar makes as much as rychel, so the cap saving argument isn't holding a ton of water for me.

I think the fact that mangiapane and quine are getting games and lazar isnt is pretty simple: the organization does not view him to be as good as either of those guys

40k is the amount a team would retain in exchange for 'future considerations. Out of an 80 million cap, it's a vanishingly small amount.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not reading a ton of compelling arguments for why the flames maxed out quines games before waivers kick in, recalled rychel for 2 and mangiapane for 13 but Lazar gets 0.

Lazar makes as much as rychel, so the cap saving argument isn't holding a ton of water for me.

I think the fact that mangiapane and quine are getting games and lazar isnt is pretty simple: the organization does not view him to be as good as either of those guys

40k is the amount a team would retain in exchange for 'future considerations. Out of an 80 million cap, it's a vanishingly small amount.

40k on 80M cap is the equivalent of 50 bucks to someone making 100k.
Not anything really, but you still don't roll down the window and throw it in the street.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

40k on 80M cap is the equivalent of 50 bucks to someone making 100k.
Not anything really, but you still don't roll down the window and throw it in the street.

If the flames thought Lazar would add more to the lineup than mangiapane that amount would barely register as a consideration.

[Flash Walken]

Looks like I was wrong about rychel, he makes slightly more than quine and mangiapane

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not reading a ton of compelling arguments for why the flames maxed out quines games before waivers kick in, recalled rychel for 2 and mangiapane for 13 but Lazar gets 0.

Lazar makes as much as rychel, so the cap saving argument isn't holding a ton of water for me.

I think the fact that mangiapane and quine are getting games and lazar isnt is pretty simple: the organization does not view him to be as good as either of those guys

40k is the amount a team would retain in exchange for 'future considerations. Out of an 80 million cap, it's a vanishingly small amount.

Well, Quine was way ahead in points from everyone and he didn't play himself out of the Calgary lineup - he was scoring.

Rychel, they would want to see up close what they had, and it seems like they were not that impressed.

I'd be surprised if Lazar isn't up after the deadline, or at least when Stockton is mathematically out.

[Heavy Jack]

I’m with Flash on this one in principle of ‘Why not call Lazar up?’

I mean the argument he uses is true in that you can’t speak to it being a matter of money/cap constraints at this time with the difference in salarat between Lazar versus other call ups being basically a wash so with that out of the way here are even more talking points to calling him up:

1 - He’s no spring chicken at the NHL level, going towards 300 games is more than most.
2 - It’s a contract year and we spent a 2nd on him, time to see what we actually got back.
3 - Struggled coming back from mono and playing in a constricting Gulutzan System.
4 - Really only used him in the year preceding the initial trade, seems like a waste not to see him under Peters watch
5 - The guy hasn’t pouted once and actually initiated the demotion himself, that’s characteristic of a true leader which he has been down on a depleted AHL Heat team.
6 - How can you not give this guy another chance when we have seen a revolving door on the 4th line wings all season?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I’m with Flash on this one in principle of ‘Why not call Lazar up?’

I mean the argument he uses is true in that you can’t speak to it be a matter of money/cap constraints at this time so with that out of the way here are even more talking points to calling him up:

1 - He’s no spring chicken at the NHL level, going towards 300 games is more than most.
2 - It’s a contract year and we spent a 2nd on him, time to see what we actually got back.
3 - Struggled coming back from mono and playing in a constricting Gulutzan System.
4 - Really only used him in the year preceding the initial trade, seems like a waste not to see him under Peters watch
5 - The guy hasn’t pouted once and actually initiated the demotion himself, that’s characteristic of a true leader which he has been down on a depleted AHL Heat team.
6 - How can you not give this guy another chance when we have seen a revolving door on the 4th line wings all season?

You can certainly say it's money/cap until the trade deadline passes. You don't know if there's a trade in the works that needs every dime, and, anyway, it's easy to spend the owners' money. It's also a matter of giving Mangiapane a lot of rope this year (and Czarnik). Heck, they might even take Stockton's needs into account.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the flames thought Lazar would add more to the lineup than mangiapane that amount would barely register as a consideration.

Agreed.

But if they felt it was pretty much a wash, at this point in the season you save every penny you can.
So imo that's all it shows, that they don't believe Lazal will contribute more than Mangiapane. Or not enough more to spend 40k on it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Agreed.

But if they felt it was pretty much a wash, at this point in the season you save every penny you can.
So imo that's all it shows, that they don't believe Lazal will contribute more than Mangiapane. Or not enough more to spend 40k on it.

And run up waiver games, FWIW. Anyway, you're right. It's probably a close call and that is just the little edge Mangiapane needs (plus he's got the Peters systems down).

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can certainly say it's money/cap until the trade deadline passes. You don't know if there's a trade in the works that needs every dime, and, anyway, it's easy to spend the owners' money. It's also a matter of giving Mangiapane a lot of rope this year (and Czarnik). Heck, they might even take Stockton's needs into account.

Fair points but still with what we gave up for Lazar in the first place I think it would be prudent to call him up and give him an honest 2-4 game look; maybe we don’t have to make a splash or spend more assets for a deadline acquisition if Lazar comes up as a player again; you can’t discount the fact that he is a seasoned player at the NHL level and could be a good option for depth already.

From a personal standpoint I really like Lazar, I cheer for him and would love to see him given another chance that to me he has no doubt earned.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Showcasing doesn't exist. It's a myth. There are scouts and video everywhere for every player, a short stint in league X isn't changing anyone's mind.

It's not entirely a myth, it's just not a common thing. If a player comes up, plays well, gets a goal and fight or something, he's more on the radar to NHL GM's than he was Tuesday.

They have scouts for sure, but there's still humans in charge of making trades, and a lot of them are actually pretty dim.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Fair points but still with what we gave up for Lazar in the first place I think it would be prudent to call him up and give him an honest 2-4 game look; maybe we don’t have to make a splash or spend more assets for a deadline acquisition if Lazar comes up as a player again; you can’t discount the fact that he is a seasoned player at the NHL level and could be a good option for depth already.

From a personal standpoint I really like Lazar, I cheer for him and would love to see him given another chance that to me he has no doubt earned.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I think he's earned a callup. And he adds something that Mangiapane/Dube don't, which is 200+ pounds (and Quine isn't as physical either).

Speaking of Stockton, I think Foo is done. Passed by too many guys.

[GioforPM]

And what about Graovac? He's got points and is huge.