Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[FireGilbert]

A while back I made a comment that I finally found a co-worker to talk hockey with but found out he was a no good Oiler fan. Well I have a meeting with him tomorrow so it is amazing timing the Flames are ahead in the standings!

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by getbak

Since expansion, a goalie has played at least 70 games in a season 83 times.


Of those 83...

• 4 won the Cup (Parent 1974, Fuhr 1988, and Brodeur 2000 & 2003)
• 1 lost in the Final (Brodeur 2001)
• 2 lost in the Conference Final (Hasek 1998 & Nabokov 2010)
• 16 lost in the second round of the playoffs
• 35 lost in the first round of the playoffs
• 25 missed the playoffs entirely

Talbot is on pace for 74 games played.

That's a pretty high rate of success isnt it?

If you compared it to all the seasons that a goalie played less than 70 games, those other goalies probably made each round of the playoffs less often than these 83 cases.

I mean playoffs 70% of the time. It is probably 60% maybe for all the other seasons of goalies playing less.

What's the odds for a goalie that played less than 70 games to make the finals? I guess maybe 5ish%?

[flamesforcup]

I honestly think Draisaitl is the most overrated player on the Oilers. He's been atrocious in the last stretch according to Oils fans and that too while playing with Mcdavid. He did this disappearing act last year too after the all star break but most of us thought it was Halls fault. Even Connor freaking Mcdavid is having trouble dragging around Draisaitls post all-star corpse. Seems like Draisaitl isn't that young future Kopitar #1 centre we have all been hearing about.

[Mass_nerder]

Just like it's far too early to be writing off Sam Bennett, Draisaitl is still young, and has plenty of time to find consistency.
The oilers are no good, but it's pretty silly to be trashing Draisaitl when Sam Bennett, picked one spot after, has been just as inconsistent.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's a pretty high rate of success isnt it?

If you compared it to all the seasons that a goalie played less than 70 games, those other goalies probably made each round of the playoffs less often than these 83 cases.

I mean playoffs 70% of the time. It is probably 60% maybe for all the other seasons of goalies playing less.

What's the odds for a goalie that played less than 70 games to make the finals? I guess maybe 5ish%?

It's kind of a self selecting stats as good goaltenders play far more games than average. So it's very unlikely you'd ever have an average or below average goalie play 70 games. So I'm not sure what kind of meaning can be taken out of it.

I think what you'd need to do is look at high volume goalies and compare their high volume seasons to their lower volume ones and see if their is any correlation between rest and success.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's a pretty high rate of success isnt it?

It's a pretty high rate of making the playoffs. But those teams went 23-35 in the first round, 7-16 in the second round, which are both pretty terrible. Looks as if the burnout factor is a real problem.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GGG

It's kind of a self selecting stats as good goaltenders play far more games than average. So it's very unlikely you'd ever have an average or below average goalie play 70 games. So I'm not sure what kind of meaning can be taken out of it...

It shows that success in the modern NHL is largely dependent on managing the workload for a team's goalies. The position and the game has changed so much in just the past decade that Stanley Cup winning goaltenders by and large don't play more than 60-65 games in a season at the most.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

No matter, in whether Estrada doesn't recall that far back...

As speaking to the comparison, Cam Talbot doesn't hold a Flame to Miika Kiprusoff.

Not now, not ever.

Oh I recall the Wings series as Kipper was the only Flame to show up. After that series he wasn't that good though as he was probably the goat in the Sharks series and was outplayed by Khabibulan vs the Hawks. I expect as he got older the 70 game regular seasons started to take their toll.

[Tinordi]

This was a post on HFboards recently when poked that the Flames were now currently above the Oilers in the standings:

it took a record 9-game win streak and a 14-2-1 record but you finally got your revenge!

season ain't over yet though...

The Flames aren't better than the Oilers, they're just more successful lately.

[Erick Estrada]

Oilers fans seem to feel the Flames are streakier than the Oilers because they have gone on two long winning streaks, therefore the Oilers are better because they are more consistent. At the end of the day you are what your record says you are.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Let's not forget this is the same organization that went whining like crying children to the flames, rogers and the NHL when the fan 960 made fun of them for giving up a 10 spot a few years ago. Or was it 11?

Originally Posted by Robbob

Fan960 also got the oilers management riled up as they complained to the nhl when fan960 called themselves the official alberta broadcast station of the Carolina Hurricanes.

They are so easy, they're like the annoying little brother that runs to mommy every time you ruffle his hair.

They just have the mentality "We're the Oilers!! You cant do this to us!! We're telling!!"

[CaptainCrunch]

I love the smell of panic from the North, it smells like Strawberry's.

[Dan403]

I love the smell of entitlement in the morning.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Connor McDavid Powers the Oilers to a 4-1 Loss to the Montreal Canadiens

While opposition linemate Paul Byron had two goals, all eyes were on Connor McDavid as he powered the Oilers to a 4-1 loss to the Montreal Canadiens on Sunday night. Oilers' Coach, Todd McLellan, was profuse in his discussion of the generational talent, who posted no points and paced his team with a -3 rating, following the game. "I don't want to take anything away from our hockey-playing robot, but the Canadiens really showed that there are other teams in the NHL tonight," said McLellan. As of this morning the Oilers' team bus was seen parked outside an area Golftown, as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Adam Larsson stood nearby, transfixed with their faces pressed against the windows.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

...The Flames aren't better than the Oilers, they're just more successful lately.

Wrong. The Flames are deeper at every position than the Oilers, and it has been obvious for a couple months now.

[Textcritic]

This was one of my favourite post from the HFOilers PGT last night:

"...It wouldn't surprise me if they miss the playoffs. And it would be even worse if McDavid loses the Art Ross or doesn't win the Hart."

So typically Edmonton to set more weight on McDavid's individual achievements than on team success.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Connor McDavid Powers the Oilers to a 4-1 Loss to the Montreal Canadiens

While opposition linemate Paul Byron had two goals, all eyes were on Connor McDavid as he powered the Oilers to a 4-1 loss to the Montreal Canadiens on Sunday night. Oilers' Coach, Todd McLellan, was profuse in his discussion of the generational talent, who posted no points and paced his team with a -3 rating, following the game. "I don't want to take anything away from our hockey-playing robot, but the Canadiens really showed that there are other teams in the NHL tonight," said McLellan. As of this morning the Oilers' team bus was seen parked outside an area Golftown, as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Adam Larsson stood nearby, transfixed with their faces pressed against the windows.

LOL. That's how all Oilers losses should be written up in this thread!

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

LOL. That's how all Oilers losses should be written up in this thread!

All right, I'll give it a go.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wrong. The Flames are deeper at every position than the Oilers, and it has been obvious for a couple months now.

Friedman this morning made the following comments (paraphrased), essentially saying as much:

(Talking generally about the Flames):Calgary is just really, really deep, and it is really starting to show.

(Talking generally about Edmonton): Edmonton needs more than just McDavid, and they really need secondary scoring.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Friedman this morning made the following comments (paraphrased), essentially saying as much:

(Talking generally about the Flames):Calgary is just really, really deep, and it is really starting to show.

(Talking generally about Edmonton): Edmonton needs more than just McDavid, and they really need secondary scoring.

They could probably really use a guy like Taylor Hall...