Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Antifa has their own racists by the way. And homophobes and pretty much anything that any other population has within it.

As Antifa doesnt really exist as anything other than the ramblings of the dozy old gits in the GOP and the occasional left wing 16 year old student union fantasy not really,

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You really believe they are anti fascism? Walk me through that.

People who are against fascism are anti-fascist.

[troutman]

Two officers shot in Louisville (expected to be ok).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/breonn...pt23-1.5736508

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It's like he's actively, deliberately working for Trump.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1308908426349678592

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Sigh... no. There was no issue with the officers shooting in Breonna Taylor's direction, because they were shooting at the guy in bed with her who was shooting at them and in fact shot one of the police in the leg. They fired back. The recklessness of firing in a manner that endangered people in neighbouring apartments was the only thing those officers did that was legally blameworthy, and as a result, that's the source of the charges.

The biggest issue with that case was not anything done by the police officers who actually fired their guns, but rather the people who obtained the warrant that put them there in the first place. And arguably the system that allowed the warrant to be executed.

I swear, that Breonna Taylor case is the most misunderstood, most misinformation-laden news item in the past five years.

Was going to post something similar.



This case is of a different kind from the others that have become so prominent in the BLM movement. It really shouldn't be the cause it's become, and the reaction to today's outcomes is the type of thing that causes centrists to divorce themselves from the cause BLM and others are fighting for.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

There are a host of things I think they could do with/for the police and their funds in the U.S, but abolishing the police? Um.....no.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

As Antifa doesnt really exist as anything other than the ramblings of the dozy old gits in the GOP and the occasional left wing 16 year old student union fantasy not really,

I guess these business owners and BLM supporters in Seattle are dozy old GOP gits.

...He blamed the destruction and looting on “opportunists,” but also said that much of the damage on Capitol Hill came from a distinct contingent of violent, armed white activists. “It’s antifa,” he said. “They don’t want to see the progress we’ve made. They want chaos.”

Many of the business owners on Capitol Hill agreed: Much of the violence they saw and the intimidation of their patrons came from a group these business owners identified as antifa, which they distinguished from the Black Lives Matter movement. “The idea of taking up the Black movement and turning it into a white occupation, it’s white privilege in its finest definition,” Mr. Khan said. “And that’s what they did.”

Antifa, which stands for anti-fascist, is a radical, leaderless leftist political movement that uses armed, violent protest as a method to create what supporters say is a more just and equitable country. They have a strong presence in the Pacific Northwest, including the current protests in Portland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/u...-protests.html

You're not conceding anything to Trump and his supporters by acknowledging that extreme left-wing movements that employ violence actually exist.

[afc wimbledon]

Antifa, which stands for anti-fascist, is a radical, leaderless leftist political movement

There is no such thing as a leaderless movement, what you think of as 'antifa' are just a bunch of kids breaking ####, their motivation was no more anti fascist than the kids breaking #### in Vancouver were objecting to the offside rule after game 7, hood rat kids go down town to join in the fun, they have little politics beyond a nihalistic enjoyment of kicking off.

[CliffFletcher]

The far right goons showing up at protests rarely have formal leaders or membership either. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist and have no effect on the political landscape.

[Looch City]

The far right leader is the President.

[White Out 403]

Hey guys, didn't you hear? Nazis were socialists because it was in their name. DUH

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The far right goons showing up at protests rarely have formal leaders or membership either. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist and have no effect on the political landscape.

Ah yes, there are no organized structures to the Oathkeepers, the 3%, Soldiers of Odin, Patriot Front, Vanguard America, etc.

They certainly don't have clubhouses, patches, specific uniforms, standardized hierarchies or anything!

You're thinking of groups like The Proud Boys, which are more akin to Antifa, as they're just a loose collection of weirdos (that follow Gavin McInnis for some reason).

The "both sides, many sides" garbage is really tiresome.

[CliffFletcher]

Read the article I linked to. You don't have to pretend violent far-left extremists and anarchists don't exist just because the violent far right movement is bigger and worse. Well, maybe you do, because that seems to be the way your mind works.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Read the article I linked to. You don't have to pretend violent far-left extremists and anarchists don't exist just because the violent far right movement is bigger and worse. Well, maybe you do, because that seems to be the way your mind works.

I wasn't responding to your post about the article though, I was responding to your claim that gun-toting boogaloos are the yin to antifa's yang, which clearly isn't the case.

The article doesn't even mention RW militias.

No one is denying that anarchists don't exist, nor are we denying that they are agents of opportunity looking to incite chaos. What we are denying however, is that they are guided by a greater idea or group of "antifa", and the label has been dragged consistently since the Berkeley speaker protests to create a nebulous enemy that the right can unite against.

[Flamenspiel]

nm

[PsYcNeT]

Very related:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...violence-texts

Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show

At times, rightwing activists discuss acts of violence at recent, contentious protests, which in some cases they were recorded carrying out. At one point, David Willis, a felon currently being sued for his alleged role in an earlier episode of political violence, joins a discussion about the use of paintballs.

Where other members had previously suggested freezing the paintballs for maximum damage, Willis wrote: “They make glass breaker balls that are rubber coated metal. They also have pepper balls but they are about 3 dollars a ball. Don’t freeze paintballs it makes them wildly inaccurate” [sic.]

He advised other members to ignore weapons statutes, writing, “I saw someone say bats, mace, and stun guns are illegal downtown. If you’re going to play by the books tomorrow night, we already lost. We are here to make a change, laws will be broken, people will get hurt… It’s lawlessness downtown, and people need to be prepared for bad things.”

Man you would figure if Antifa and these fat, hateful paramilitary groups were at all comparable, we would see a lot more of these kind of leaks from both sides, eh?

Loose groups of anarchists causing mayhem and organized, pre-planned acts of violence by militias are not at all equivocal.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Anyone against "defund the police" should watch this video

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/te...cam/index.html

A mom calls police for help for her son because she likely has no other options, and police have no other training for this type of situation other than to shoot a 13-year old kid. If the money that paid for those unqualified officers were instead allocated to social workers who were trained how to deal with a kid having a mental breakdown, then no bullets are needed.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Anyone against "defund the police" should watch this video

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/te...cam/index.html

A mom calls police for help for her son because she likely has no other options, and police have no other training for this type of situation other than to shoot a 13-year old kid. If the money that paid for those unqualified officers were instead allocated to social workers who were trained how to deal with a kid having a mental breakdown, then no bullets are needed.

How does that video not make you cry? And not just the outcome, but knowing how preventable it was, and even knowing at least one officer in that scenario knew what the most likely outcome was and was unable to stop it.

Changes must be made.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Anyone against "defund the police" should watch this video

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/te...cam/index.html

A mom calls police for help for her son because she likely has no other options, and police have no other training for this type of situation other than to shoot a 13-year old kid. If the money that paid for those unqualified officers were instead allocated to social workers who were trained how to deal with a kid having a mental breakdown, then no bullets are needed.

My goodness. That is so incredibly ####ed up.

[troutman]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1308839028716904448

https://twitter.com/user/status/1308602855276773378