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Mean Mr. Mustard · 06-26-2020, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In reality NHL should have just waited. And if the season didn’t resume all 31 teams should have had a chance in the lottery.

The playoff break point is irrelevant If there are no playoffs to be played.

No - the purpose for the draft is to assist the teams that are awful, so that they aren't as awful in the future. After 85% of the season has been played, it is pretty easy to determine which teams are going to be awful teams. If you have a lottery with every team it would just result in the potential of an already good team being an amazingly good team.

getbak · 06-26-2020, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Freeway

If there's no playoffs, Winnipeg drafts after Calgary (17th, I believe) because they had a better points percentage.

Winnipeg has a worse points percentage than the Flames, that's why the Flames will have "home ice" in the play-in round.

If the playoffs don't happen:

Picks 2-8 will be the 7 teams that aren't going to play again no matter what.

9-15 will be the 8 "non-playoff" teams by points percentage, except whichever one wins the first overall pick (Arizona, obviously).

They are:

Montreal .500
Chicago .514
Arizona .529
Minnesota .558
Winnipeg .563
NY Rangers .564
Florida .565
Columbus .579

Calgary, Vancouver, and Nashville will be the next 3 even though they all had worse points percentages than the Jackets.

kyuss275 · 06-26-2020, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Winnipeg has a worse points percentage than the Flames, that's why the Flames will have "home ice" in the play-in round.

If the playoffs don't happen:

Picks 2-8 will be the 7 teams that aren't going to play again no matter what.

9-15 will be the 8 "non-playoff" teams by points percentage, except whichever one wins the first overall pick (Arizona, obviously).

They are:

Montreal .500
Chicago .514
Arizona .529
Minnesota .558
Winnipeg .563
NY Rangers .564
Florida .565
Columbus .579

Calgary, Vancouver, and Nashville will be the next 3 even though they all had worse points percentages than the Jackets.

What’s Calgary percentage?

getbak · 06-26-2020, 09:02 PM

Here's the full draw for the conspiracy loons...

Of course, I guess if you want to believe in conspiracies, you'll just say they faked the video.

djsFlames · 06-26-2020, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Maybe is could be Calgary.

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Perhaps the Flames get edged, land Lafreniere and covid threatens the tourney to where it is later cancelled anyhow. Then they sign Hall. All. Effin. In.

getbak · 06-26-2020, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

What’s Calgary percentage?

564, same as the Rangers. Vancouver and Nashville are 565.

Toronto had the same percentage at the Jackets, but if the season doesn't resume, they'll pick 4 spots later.

djsFlames · 06-26-2020, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Braden

If its really rigged I see #1 going to the habs
Montreal plays Pittsburgh
Montreal loses to Pittsburgh
Lafreniere is from Quebec
2020 Draft is in Montreal
Dream come true for city, team and player

They think they own all the local boys, or any good players with distinctively French surnames.

Montreal can pound sand.

Ole ole-ole o-losers!

Freeway · 06-26-2020, 09:09 PM

I was told there would be no math...

Winnipeg would be 13th.

kyuss275 · 06-26-2020, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

564, same as the Rangers. Vancouver and Nashville are 565.

Toronto had the same percentage at the Jackets, but if the season doesn't resume, they'll pick 4 spots later.

Okay I’m lost. Our percentage is worse than Columbus and Florida. If there is no playoffs , they have a chance at #1 and we don’t? What am I missing?

dammage79 · 06-26-2020, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Okay I’m lost. Our percentage is worse than Columbus and Florida. If there is no playoffs , they have a chance at #1 and we don’t? What am I missing?

They still count the relevant divisional standing and wildcard standing from what I gathered in Bob's tweets.Flames were in a playoff spot so no extra lotto lovin if the season is cancelled.

MrMike · 06-26-2020, 09:18 PM

KelVarnsen · 06-26-2020, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Here's the full draw for the conspiracy loons...

Of course, I guess if you want to believe in conspiracies, you'll just say they faked the video.

There’s video of “walking” on the moon as well.

getbak · 06-26-2020, 09:53 PM

Where it gets really stupid is if the season does resume, they'll use the final points percentages of the teams that lose the play-ins, so the Flames could pick ahead of the Rangers if they both were to lose their play-ins.

Here's a handy, and not at all confusing, color-coded chart of the Points Percentages of the 24 "active" teams...

EA - Montreal (500)
WA - Chicago (514)
WB - Arizona (529)
WC - Minnesota (558)
WD - Winnipeg (563)
WD - Calgary (564)
EB - NY Rangers (564)
WC - Vancouver (565)
WB - Nashville (565)
EC - Florida (565)
ED - Columbus (579)
ED - Toronto (579)
WA - Edmonton (585)
EC - NY Islanders (588)
Dallas (594)
EB - Carolina (596)
Vegas (606)
EA - Pittsburgh (623)
Philadelphia (645)
Washington (652)
Colorado (657)
Tampa (657)
St Louis (662)
Boston (714)

The 8 teams that lose their play-in rounds will drop into the non-playoff draft positions, with one getting the first overall pick. The 16 playoff teams will get the bottom half of the draft picks ... with the Conference Finalists getting the bottom 4 picks.

Mr.Coffee · 06-26-2020, 09:54 PM

Lowe into the HOF and Placeholder team winning the lottery draft?

This has been the most nonsense hockey week in awhile.

topfiverecords · 06-26-2020, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by This post is terrible

Arizona has Hall, it’s already decided

This post isn't terrible

SuperMatt18 · 06-26-2020, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

No - the purpose for the draft is to assist the teams that are awful, so that they aren't as awful in the future. After 85% of the season has been played, it is pretty easy to determine which teams are going to be awful teams. If you have a lottery with every team it would just result in the potential of an already good team being an amazingly good team.

It wouldn’t be an equal lottery of course and would be heavily weighted to the normal lottery teams, but I think it would be more fair to give every team a shot under the circumstances.

In some ways it should be like that every year. Teams like the Oilers and Sabres have proven that rewarding mediocrity doesn’t help anything. The bad teams should have the best chance Of winning, but I think all 31 teams should have a shot every year.

browna · 06-26-2020, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

but to actually cheer for the Flames to lose is embarrassing.

I know it's been over 3 months, but have you forgot the average game thread?

Sandman · 06-26-2020, 10:57 PM

Maybe the conspiracy theory will work in our favor this time? We're getting close to breaking ground on our new arena, so a nice #1 draft pick will help draw favor and attention to a brand new era....

MrMike · 06-26-2020, 11:20 PM

I know its not going to happen, but I enjoy that it still gives a little glimmer of hope or excitement to us if we get knocked out.

Any excitement/hope is a good thing right now.

Erick Estrada · 06-26-2020, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Where it gets really stupid is if the season does resume, they'll use the final points percentages of the teams that lose the play-ins, so the Flames could pick ahead of the Rangers if they both were to lose their play-ins.

Here's a handy, and not at all confusing, color-coded chart of the Points Percentages of the 24 "active" teams...

EA - Montreal (500)
WA - Chicago (514)
WB - Arizona (529)
WC - Minnesota (558)
WD - Winnipeg (563)
WD - Calgary (564)
EB - NY Rangers (564)
WC - Vancouver (565)
WB - Nashville (565)
EC - Florida (565)
ED - Columbus (579)
ED - Toronto (579)
WA - Edmonton (585)
EC - NY Islanders (588)
Dallas (594)
EB - Carolina (596)
Vegas (606)
EA - Pittsburgh (623)
Philadelphia (645)
Washington (652)
Colorado (657)
Tampa (657)
St Louis (662)
Boston (714)

The 8 teams that lose their play-in rounds will drop into the non-playoff draft positions, with one getting the first overall pick. The 16 playoff teams will get the bottom half of the draft picks ... with the Conference Finalists getting the bottom 4 picks.

Kind of illustrates just how mediocre the Flames are this season with a points percentage at the bottom end of the playoff eligible teams. This lottery at least provides the opportunity for hope even if the Flames lose.