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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade 109 16.80%
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better 197 30.35%
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project 187 28.81%
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back 107 16.49%
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton 49 7.55%
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:47 PM   #1181
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Did some of you actually watch Lucic play last season? The guy is sloooooooow and didn't give a rats arse lumbering around the ice. One game in Edmonton he took an idiotic penalty just so he could get out of the game. Now I get it, the Oil will suck the life out of any player so I guess it's possible Lucic finds a new passion for hockey and becomes a decent player. But he's still gonna be slow as frozen whale ####.

Now if this was only a deal to get Neal out of town then okay, gotta do what you gotta do but this talk of Lucic actually being a good addition to the team, hmmmm. Suppose a week ago someone said, hey you would what would be cracking deal? Neal for Lucic plus a 3rd rounder somehow I doubt anyone here would have said yes, I love that get it done Tre.
I get what your saying, but....and its a big but. What if Lucic has a massive chip on his shoulder and surprises everyone and resurrects his game.
Worst case, he beats the crap out of the losers who slash Johnny alla time.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:48 PM   #1182
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No one should even hint that this is anything but a goddamn fiasco of a deal for the Flames.

Stunned is one word.

Slobberknockered is another.

BT is done.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:50 PM   #1183
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This trade looks to me like the Flames wanted Neal off the roster no matter what. There must have been concerns in the room.

Could be off ice issues as well, no way to know. If he was arrogant as some suggest, while not making the effort on the ice something had to give.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:50 PM   #1184
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Yup. Definitely getting worse.

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Old 07-19-2019, 09:53 PM   #1185
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Buyout looks better if you just look at 1 year. 8 years of 1.9 wasted cap is tough to swallow

Look at the oilers. 4.9 mil wasted cap. Buyout neal next summer it goes to 6.6. Plus a neal buyout next summer is 1.9 wasted for entire McDavid deal. I really hope neal doesn't bounce back. They are killing themselves buying out their garbage yearly.

Throw on 750k to 1.9 mil too. Just terrible cap management
I don’t care how this deal looks for the Oilers. That isn’t really relevant. The only comparison that matters here is Calgary before and Calgary after.

Is Calgary better off. I’d argue our current window we need to Maximize is to the end of Gaudreau’s deal and in that frame work 1.9 million boat ancho is better than a 5.25 million boat anchor.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:54 PM   #1186
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This deal sucks... have to burn a expansion draft protection slot, take on a buyout proof contract for a measly 350K in cap savings and a highly conditional 3rd round pick. Blah.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:55 PM   #1187
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No one should even hint that this is anything but a goddamn fiasco of a deal for the Flames.

Stunned is one word.

Slobberknockered is another.

BT is done.
Done how?
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:55 PM   #1188
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I’ve heard Lucic wasn’t the greatest in the room and Pulju and him didn’t get along the greatest.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:58 PM   #1189
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That’s where a buyout works better. A 3.5 million player plus a 2 million dollar cap hit is better than the current situation for the next 5 years.

I’m not overly upset but I think the trade does not make sense.

We don't know the whole situation;

Maybe the Neal's factor and his "lack of" participation was a bigger distraction during the playoffs. During the playoffs the team was unhinged and unfocused while only a handful of players put in the effort. If some of your key guys don't put in the effort it makes it harder for the rest of the team to overcome hurdles.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:58 PM   #1190
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I keep smoking more and more weed trying to figure out how this makes sense, and it still doesn’t.

As high as I am I’m pretty sure Treliving is higher.
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I get what your saying, but....and its a big but. What if Lucic has a massive chip on his shoulder and surprises everyone and resurrects his game.
Worst case, he beats the crap out of the losers who slash Johnny alla time.
Then I will be doing a happy jig and laughing at Oilers fans. Well laughing even more.
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:00 PM   #1192
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Does any know the terms of the 3rd round pick yet?
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:01 PM   #1193
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Did some of you actually watch Lucic play last season? The guy is sloooooooow and didn't give a rats arse lumbering around the ice. One game in Edmonton he took an idiotic penalty just so he could get out of the game. Now I get it, the Oil will suck the life out of any player so I guess it's possible Lucic finds a new passion for hockey and becomes a decent player. But he's still gonna be slow as frozen whale ####.

Now if this was only a deal to get Neal out of town then okay, gotta do what you gotta do but this talk of Lucic actually being a good addition to the team, hmmmm. Suppose a week ago someone said, hey you would what would be cracking deal? Neal for Lucic plus a 3rd rounder somehow I doubt anyone here would have said yes, I love that get it done Tre.
This sounds like Neal to a tee. So what's your point?
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:05 PM   #1194
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No one should even hint that this is anything but a goddamn fiasco of a deal for the Flames.

Stunned is one word.

Slobberknockered is another.

BT is done.
IMO signing Neal was the big mistake and this deal is just a symptom.


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Does any know the terms of the 3rd round pick yet?
We get the pick if Neal scores 21 goals and Lucic scores 10 fewer, so basically we don't get the pick
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:08 PM   #1195
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I don’t care how this deal looks for the Oilers. That isn’t really relevant. The only comparison that matters here is Calgary before and Calgary after.

Is Calgary better off. I’d argue our current window we need to Maximize is to the end of Gaudreau’s deal and in that frame work 1.9 million boat ancho is better than a 5.25 million boat anchor.
Alot of my family are leafs fans and I argued years ago retaining salary on a kessel deal for that long was dumb. Response I got was leafs will be rebuilding for years it won't matter. Seems to matter now

I agree the flames are set up to win now. But we could be wrong and you can't completely disregard wasting cap space for 8 years. If the plan is to buyout in 2 years saving 500k now helps. Lucic bounces back at all maybe he can be moved with 500k retained salary. Buying out neal now is automatic 1.9 mil wasted for 8 years. Imo it not smart to consider that for at least 2 years
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:10 PM   #1196
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Does any know the terms of the 3rd round pick yet?
from the oiler mouthpiece:

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not happening and if it does it means calgary loses the trade imo
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not happening and if it does it means calgary loses the trade imo

Well not exactly, if Neal scores 21 and a -35, Lucic scores 10 and a +10 and a nuclear deterrent. Flames win the trade.
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I think it's just safe to say the Flames aren't getting that pick
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Slightly cheaper garbage in, slightly more expensive garbage out. I'm just glad we never have to see this again:
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