Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

So what you're saying is that he didn't almost fire you for saying merry Christmas, he almost fired you because he specifically asked you to use more inclusive language in the communications materials, you dug your feet in, refused to do what the CEO wanted, and, by your own admission, "put up a fight".

I stand by my original statement. Nobody cares if you wish them a merry Christmas. You can ask 100 Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Rastafarians, atheists, and agnostics if they're offended if someone wishes them a merry Christmas, and not one of them will say yes. I guarantee it. Ironically, if you polled 100 conservative Christians if they're offended by the greeting "Happy holidays", you'll find that lots of them are. Boy does that innocuous phrase sure trigger those delicate snowflakes.

I agree, nobody cares if you say merry christmas or happy holidays. Only on the internet or in the media is this an issue.completely manufactured

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

This was basically the argument that I made for targeted gun control. If there are two guns which are identical in their construction, but the one that looks like Rambo's wet dream is the one that is banned, that is exactly the right move. The people who use the weapon for a legal, intended purpose, won't care if it's ugly. The person that wants to look like a badass maniac, shouldn't have the gun in the first place.

Not true at all, what's the point of banning something just because it looks scary? Why can't someone think a gun looks cool? I love the design of an AR-15. Newsflash: Everyone is different.

[jayswin]

Please, can we keep the gun debate to one of 8 threads dedicated to it? This is a very important time and topic.

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Getting this thread back on topic...

According to a local NBC station in Buffalo, the police union issued a statement defending the actions of the officers who assaulted the 75 year-old man last night and claimed they were "simply executing orders." Yes, they actually said that. Really.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/bu...1-e59da88fb93a

If police are corrupt and so willing to abuse Americans, I'd expect expect the union would have the same beliefs.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Getting this thread back on topic...

According to a local NBC station in Buffalo, the police union issued a statement defending the actions of the officers who assaulted the 75 year-old man last night and claimed they were "simply executing orders." Yes, they actually said that. Really.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/bu...1-e59da88fb93a

Ah yes, the Nuremberg Defense.
They're really leaning into the whole fascist thing huh

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

As for the police? There was a great 538 podcast that went over the data and how positive results were for retraining police forces to eliminate choke holds and have lethal force as an absolute last resort. And having a certain threshold of your force be visible minorities.

But that involves more taxes and less money for little Becky and Chads posh Orange County school. So instead, we will get black out tuesdays, white people kneeling in front of black people, and no real change will exist.

It's actually pretty infuriating to watch play out.

Why should it involve more taxes? Police have huge budgets in a lot of places. They must, if they can afford front-line-soldier level tactical gear. Instead of spending all that money on tear gas and tanks, spend it on proper training.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's a really good point.

There are also some police positions where people should have more experience in criminal and civic law, volunteerism and community activism.

There are way too many meatheads hired and often not even from the communities they are representing.

Police in general in the US just don't get great training.

Minimum training hours to be a law enforcement officer in the state of Pennsylvania? 760. (Local municipalities can enforce a higher number of hours, to be fair)

Minimum training for me to work in a salon doing hair? 1250.

So you have police, who are there as law enforcement. To become a laywer one needs years of specialized education in the rule of law, the ethics of it, etc. But you're telling me that we can give guys 760 hours of training and they can expertly enforce the laws that it takes others years to learn?

Police need better training, more thorough vetting of candidates, and continued screening as they work, as well as strict punishment when they overstep their authority. It's not that police don't have the budgets for it--they just don't spend the money that way.

[bob-loblaw]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1269005444980174848

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

https://twitter.com/user/status/1269005444980174848

Was the man even given justice? Two officers were suspended. Not fired. Not charged with assault. Not convicted. Not imprisoned. And the police union still trotted out the Nuremberg defense without a shred of self-awareness.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

There is a difference between having the tools to defend yourself, and whatever policing has become in the States. We are seeing it now in Canada, as well. The militarization of police is absolutely terrifying.

There is no reason why any police, other than SWAT/fast response, should have a military grade vehicle, or look like anything intimidating. There is no reason why everything should be black in color. There is no reason why a cop should be wearing flashbangs, tear gas, various other implements of war hanging off of his/her bulletproof vest. They should not have military grade armaments.

They should have exactly the tools to get the job done. They should be wearing baby blues, with a simple vest. If a situation is beyond what the are armed to handle, which happens very very rarely, then you deescalate and call in the appropriate backup.

No kid in the world would be comfortable walking up to a police officer in the States and asking for directions, when the cops look like that. The cops and RCMP in the Calgary area look as intimidating as hell.

I don't think the police are too intimidating

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Please, can we keep the gun debate to one of 8 threads dedicated to it? This is a very important time and topic.

Sorry, I can't resist responding to ignorant posts.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

Sorry, I can't resist responding to ignorant posts.

Yeah, sorry I didn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to respond, just that the discussion should happen outside this thread.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I don't think the police are too intimidating

cool

[wittynickname]

I think that there are some truly awful police.

I think that there are some police who are entirely too reactionary to safely be police.

I also think there are some incredibly dumb police.

This is where the intersection happens.

The drone video shows hundreds of people at the Robert E. Lee Monument protesting the recent murder of George Floyd while in police custody in Minneapolis.

In the video, a gray truck pulls up to the police barricade and it appears that a Richmond police officer sees the truck, turn and lobs tear gas at the vehicle.

When you look closely at the video, you see that the truck is escorted by police and is carrying more officers to the scene.

Once tear gas was deployed, a chain of events occurred where more gas was deployed, this time against the peaceful group of protesters gathered at the monument.

The crowd of demonstrators fled from the area around the monument to avoid the tear gas, and in a video captured by Virginia Public Media and shared with 8News, an officer is shown running after people and spraying them directly with what appears to be tear gas.

https://www.wric.com/news/local-news...s-in-richmond/

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Was the man even given justice? Two officers were suspended. Not fired. Not charged with assault. Not convicted. Not imprisoned. And the police union still trotted out the Nuremberg defense without a shred of self-awareness.

I think he was being sarcastic. They gave him "justice" the same way the U.S. "liberates" countries that they invade.

[troutman]

‘Bike Tyson’ was arrested in Maryland.

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/st...415702017?s=21

BREAKING: Police have arrested Anthony Brennan of Kensington in the Bethesda assault of children posting George Floyd materials.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think he was being sarcastic. They gave him "justice" the same way the U.S. "liberates" countries that they invade.

The tree of liberty has to be occasionally watered with the blood of.....well frankly the blood of a lot of black and brown people who never benefited from the tree in the first place, whatev's.

[troutman]

DC is preparing for possibly the biggest protests in history in Washington, on Saturday.

https://dcist.com/story/20/06/05/d-c...o-adjustments/

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by troutman

DC police are preparing for possibly the biggest protests in history in Washington, on Saturday.

Hey at least the Cheeto headed #### gibbon gets the biggest crowd eventually for something.

[combustiblefuel]

Dont know if people jave seen this yet. Even got Bettman in it.

https://facebook.com/story.php?story...composer=false

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Dont know if people jave seen this yet. Even got Bettman in it.

https://facebook.com/story.php?story...composer=false

Jesus, why did I read the comments?