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Old 10-17-2023, 04:46 PM   #2001
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Meanwhile the rest of the world speculates it was caused by an Israeli rocket.
Then prove it

A large % of rockets fired from Gaza fail, you cannot sit their and say “evil Israel being evil” without acknowledging there is a reasonable chance it was one of their own rockets. It happens every conflict where their rockets land on their own civilians.

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Old 10-17-2023, 04:49 PM   #2002
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There's clearly quite a large explosion at 0:18. It's actually quite delayed from the rocket interception. That could be the intercepted rocket going off course and taking a while to hit the ground, something in the hospital exploding, or something besides the failed rocket causing the explosion.
Possible, but reaching IMO. Don't see a destroyed rocket being able to take out an entire hospital. Also just too big a coincidence based on the warnings and such from Israel.
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Possible, but reaching IMO. Don't see a destroyed rocket being able to take out an entire hospital. Also just too big a coincidence based on the warnings and such from Israel.
It's more than a coincidence that Hamas/PJ are launching rockets from sites very close to where the hospital is. It would make perfect sense that Israel would ask to have the hospitals evacuated, to avoid the exact scenario that just took place from happening.
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It would make perfect sense that Israel would ask to have the hospitals evacuated, to avoid the exact scenario that just took place from happening.
That's some serious pretzel logic.
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Old 10-17-2023, 05:02 PM   #2005
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It’s crazy how many assumptions make perfect sense to people who had already long-since decided on that conclusion.
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With absence of credible info it’s tough to give Israel the benefit of the doubt. That’s just the sad reality based on their body of work to date.
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That's some serious pretzel logic.
It's not at all. Israel has consistently called for civilians to evacuate areas they know strikes will likely occur.

What's the logic of Israel forecasting that they will strike a hospital, an act likely to bring severe international condemnation and end potentially end all support for their operation.
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With absence of credible info it’s tough to give Israel the benefit of the doubt. That’s just the sad reality based on their body of work to date.
I guess Hamas has a great body of work
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Then prove it

A large % of rockets fired from Gaza fail, you cannot sit their and say “evil Israel being evil” without acknowledging there is a reasonable chance it was one of their own rockets. It happens every conflict where their rockets land on their own civilians.
The onus is on the country bombing indiscriminately to prove they didn't.
Until then I like others will speculate the most likely scenario.

And you of all people Mr they're just a bunch of animals don't get to preach to me what is the correct thing to say.
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The onus is on the country bombing indiscriminately to prove they didn't.
Until then I like others will speculate the most likely scenario.

And you of all people Mr they're just a bunch of animals don't get to preach to me what is the correct thing to say.
Haha sure, i don’t care what you think nor say. 15% of all missles from Gaza fail. Go believe a terror group.
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It's not at all. Israel has consistently called for civilians to evacuate areas they know strikes will likely occur.

What's the logic of Israel forecasting that they will strike a hospital, an act likely to bring severe international condemnation and end potentially end all support for their operation.
No, no, no. You said, "It would make perfect sense that Israel would ask to have the hospitals evacuated, to avoid the exact scenario that just took place from happening [a failed Hamas missel hitting the hospital]."

That's like this exchange from your favorite western serial.

Sherriff: Bart, you need to get out of town. You got until sundown or I'm gonna shoot you in the face.

Black Bart: Sherriff, I think this calls for good old fashioned gun fight!

- shots fired -

Sherriff: Look everyone, Black Bart shot himself in the face!!!

Yeah, after the threat that just doesn't sell. The suspension in disbelief is just too great here. Not after more than 24 hours of sabre rattling.
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Haha sure, i don’t care what you think nor say. 15% of all missles from Gaza fail. Go believe a terror group.
Exactly. You don't care.
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No, no, no. You said, "It would make perfect sense that Israel would ask to have the hospitals evacuated, to avoid the exact scenario that just took place from happening [a failed Hamas missel hitting the hospital]."

That's like this exchange from your favorite western serial.

Sherriff: Bart, you need to get out of town. You got until sundown or I'm gonna shoot you in the face.

Black Bart: Sherriff, I think this calls for good old fashioned gun fight!

- shots fired -

Sherriff: Look everyone, Black Bart shot himself in the face!!!

Yeah, after the threat that just doesn't sell. The suspension in disbelief is just too great here. Not after more than 24 hours of sabre rattling.
Except not what's going on. It would be like if Black Bart stated that he was going to shoot out randomly from amongst the town's people and the Sheriff came into town and told people to vacate the area prior to him entering into a gun fight with Black Bart.


.......this is getting really convoluted, and I don't know why I'm taking the time to bother to reply to this.
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I don't know why I'm taking the time to bother to reply to this.
Me neither. It is obvious who the hero and who the heel is in your drama. Critical thought is out the window and we're in confirmation bias land now.
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Meanwhile the rest of the world speculates it was caused by an Israeli rocket.
This really is not helpful.
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Not that hard to believe that Hamas would store explosives in the hospital and then launch a rocket that failed, hit the hospital and the secondary blast set off a larger explosion.

Happens all the time.

Also not hard to believe that Israel would target the hospital.

War is hell.

But if you hide among civilians and take shots at a proven aggressive nation militarily, don't be surprised when they shoot back and kill you and the civilians around you.
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It would make perfect sense that Israel would ask to have the hospitals evacuated, to avoid the exact scenario that just took place from happening.
And where would they evacuate to?
Some random strip of land with an already set up O2, suction, power supply? The street?

Where will they set up the beds? The incubators? The ventilators? The dialysis machines?

Can they be allowed back for CT and MRI scan?

None of it makes perfect sense except in your head. To ask a hospital to evacuate is a death sentence.
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And you of all people Mr they're just a bunch of animals don't get to preach to me what is the correct thing to say.
You people? And Hamas leadership and their terrorist militia are worse than animals.
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Old 10-17-2023, 05:25 PM   #2020
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Ok. Since we are speculating, I will take a shot as well.
If Israel was going to target the hospital, I don’t think they would do it the day before their ally, the USA, is coming to town. Not a great way to drum up support.

But maybe they are playing 4D chess…. Of course we didn’t do that the day before you came here, why would we?

Anyways, we are all speculating, hopefully there is clarity on this, as it will only add more fuel to the fire if there isn’t.
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