Israel declares war on Hamas

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Well it’s at least 50/50, so yeah.

I feel like it should be well established that both parties would do this… and yet…

[Manhattanboy]

I suspect there is lots going on behind the scenes. Israel is not going to begin a ground offensive so long as Biden is in the country.

[Manhattanboy]

nm.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Being reported by MSNBC.

Hamas willing to release all civilians if bombing of Gaza ends.

Yeah that was reported several hours ago. I personally don't believe it. Hamas has the option to lay down their arms and surrender unconditionally.

Also, that blank statement doesn't address the prisoners that the Jihad and other organizations have( about 50 in total ). It also doesn't address the soldiers still captured, and it would give Hamas time to regroup, and re-locate the prisoners.

Moreover, as soon as Israel stops the airstrikes there will be added conditions. For example like another Hamas spokesperson saying they didn't murder civilians because the settlers surrounding Gaza aren't civilians.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1714392117542613343

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1714392117542613343

It appears active listening and diplomacy is rapidly falling apart

[Beninho]

https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/17...935851272?s=20

So the Arab countries going to reject diplomacy on the basis of unsubstantiated claims that Israel struck the hospital? The videos are now being geolocated as seen above, account is an independent reliable source.

[opendoor]

But again, how does part of a small rocket significantly damage a hospital?

And this video (which was apparently verified by the Washington Post) shows a high velocity impact, which doesn't sound or look like a falling rocket at all:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...NC2Z4IPFMCIL54

Maybe they're wrong, and it's not a video of the explosion. But if they're not, that looks and sounds much more like the weaponry Israel is using than a malfunctioning Hamas rocket.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

The Jerusalem Post is saying the IDF is claiming it was a missile from Palestinian Islamic Jihad, not Hamas. No video evidence is given.

Oh. There was video evidence presented. Initially.
Except they had to remove it when the timestamp showed it to be false.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1714382690420449586

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Oh. There was video evidence presented. Initially.
Except they had to remove it when the timestamp showed it to be false.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1714382690420449586

https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/17...935851272?s=20

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/17...935851272?s=20

Who is “GeoConfirmed”? I’m actually asking as I don’t use Twitter.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Who is “GeoConfirmed”? I’m actually asking as I don’t use Twitter.

They are an independent group that geolocates videos, they have done a lot of work geolocating videos in the Ukraine-Russia war. You can believe them or not, just providing what I believe is a reliable source.

Regardless of who you may believe has done this, it is clear that Israel has a legitimate defence to what they are being accused of. The countries jumping the gun condemning the supposed attack were being careless. i.e Justin Trudeau

The number of deaths were claimed to be 500 minutes after the attack. How can you verify the number in just minutes like that? It is not possible

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/17...935851272?s=20

Crazy if true. The way the Iron Dome works, is that it doesn't actually physically hit the missiles a lot of the time. The interceptors explode near the incoming missiles, which causes the incoming missiles to fall from the air.

You can definitely see a large explosion after the interception, and then a large and very immediate fire. The fire would likely have led to a lot of the deaths, it seems to rage right away. Is Hamas using incendiary devices in their rockets? That's crazy if true, as a large portion of Hamas' rockets fall on Gaza, even without being intercepted first.

Just horrible.

[gvitaly]

Israeli sources are now speculating that the severity of the explosion could've been caused by storage of rockets and explosives in the vicinity of the hospital.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Israeli sources are now speculating that the severity of the explosion could've been caused by storage of rockets and explosives in the vicinity of the hospital.

Something doesn't add up. The fire is way too intense right away. Could it be that the rocket hit fuel supplies in the hospital?

Also, the IDF is now stating it was Islamic Jihad that was launching the rockets, not Hamas.

[Bill Bumface]

This all reminds me of how 9 couldn't have 11ed because of the steel.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Where was the explosion? Video shows a rocket failed launch, but where's the boom? A hospital being destroyed should certainly have a noticeable detonation, especially at night?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Where was the explosion? Video shows a rocket failed launch, but where's the boom? A hospital being destroyed should certainly have a noticeable detonation, especially at night?

There's clearly quite a large explosion at 0:18. It's actually quite delayed from the rocket interception. That could be the intercepted rocket going off course and taking a while to hit the ground, something in the hospital exploding, or something besides the failed rocket causing the explosion.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

This all reminds me of how 9 couldn't have 11ed because of the steel.

Except that it's a well known fact that at least 15% of the rockets launched out of the Gaza Strip fall short and land in Gaza. And we've got a video supposedly showing the rocket being intercepted and falling into the hospital.

It would be similar to 9/11 videos, if instead of a video of planes hitting the twin towers, you had a video a group of F-14 launching missiles at them.

What this does remind me of is every media report about Israel/Palestine where people immediately jump to the conclusion that paints Israel in the worst possible light.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Israeli sources are now speculating that the severity of the explosion could've been caused by storage of rockets and explosives in the vicinity of the hospital.

Meanwhile the rest of the world speculates it was caused by an Israeli rocket.