10-13-2020, 10:13 AM
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#141
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People keep talking like other teams are gifting Vegas free cap space.
They have given up Stastny and Schmidt in order to sign Pietrangelo. That's a big loss at C that they have not been able to replace, for an upgrade on D.
Is Pietrangelo that much better than Schmidt to justify the loss of Stastny as well? Maybe, but I don't think other teams are gifting them anything.
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10-13-2020, 10:15 AM
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#142
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by RedHawk12
What are your thoughts about Flames fans in Saskatchewan or Manitoba? What about all of the fans we have, even on these boards, from Europe? With literally no connection to this team except seeing them on TV and liking them? What's wrong with that? That's where a lot of fans come from. Vegas is an exciting team. Some people see them, like what they see and start cheering for them. That's what being a fan is.
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And some are bandwagoners. That's certainly the case with the people I know here in Calgary who cheer for the VGK. A few years ago they were cheering for the Canucks or Penguins. In two or three years they'll move on to the Rangers or the Avs. They only like to be associated with winners, so they'll never support a struggling team or one going through a rebuild. They'll drop Vegas like a hot potato once the core ages out and they fall in the standings.
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10-13-2020, 10:16 AM
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#143
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by Azure
No, but they could have at least not basically handed the Knights $6.5 million in cap space without getting something out of it.
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You mean like a top 6 forward or something while your team needs to start winning?
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10-13-2020, 10:19 AM
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#144
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
People keep talking like other teams are gifting Vegas free cap space.
They have given up Stastny and Schmidt in order to sign Pietrangelo. That's a big loss at C that they have not been able to replace, for an upgrade on D.
Is Pietrangelo that much better than Schmidt to justify the loss of Stastny as well? Maybe, but I don't think other teams are gifting them anything.
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For a team that was already a little weak at centre this could be a bad trade-off.
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10-13-2020, 10:25 AM
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#145
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I don’t think you can worry about the other team. Tre signing Markstrom and Tanev were ideal in that they weaken the opponent as well but it’s not typical. Winnipeg and Vancouver did what they had to do.
That being said I am not sure Vegas is better off now. I think it’s a wash.
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10-13-2020, 10:44 AM
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#146
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Buff
I love the Golden Knights. I'm a Flames fan first and foremost but after not having one for many years, I now have a 2nd favorite team - VGK. Hate on me all you want, but I like VGK because I love Las Vegas. I go to Vegas yearly (well, before Covid, I did). Many people do but I would go 3 or 4 times per year if time and money would allow it. Vegas being my favorite place to visit draws to me also like the hockey team there. Flames #1 but Vegas #2. If that makes me a fake fan, then I guess I'm a fake fan.
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I like the GK after the Flames as well. I just think they're a great team from the start. The team has grit and speed and they come at you in continuous waves. It's just too bad they were just shy of winning the Cup in their very first year. If they won it on their first season, I don't think they'd be stocking up like this every year maxing out their cap ever since. They want the cup! I really wish the Flames are built similar players that the GK have.
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10-13-2020, 01:46 PM
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#147
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by Azure
No, but they could have at least not basically handed the Knights $6.5 million in cap space without getting something out of it.
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So Winnipeg's options were:
Get a second line center for cheap so Vegas could sign Pietrangelo.
Or let someone else get a second line center for cheap so Vegas could sign Pietrangelo
Easy choice. You're never going to get all other GMs to just not trade with a team out of spite. Winnipeg needed to make their team better, and they did. What Vegas did after that should have no bearing on it, because they were going to trade someone somewhere.
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10-13-2020, 01:47 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
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The center depth in Vegas is terrible
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10-13-2020, 02:48 PM
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#149
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Originally Posted by dino7c
The center depth in Vegas is terrible
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They must be expecting Nicolas Roy or Cody Glass to take big steps or something, because yeah...on paper it doesn't look great right now.
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10-13-2020, 03:27 PM
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#150
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
They must be expecting Nicolas Roy or Cody Glass to take big steps or something, because yeah...on paper it doesn't look great right now.
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They are likely banking on Glass or Krebs to develop into a top 6 center.
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10-13-2020, 03:29 PM
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#151
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
They are likely banking in Glass or Krebs to develop into a top 6 center.
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I'm sure they are.
I'm talking about this upcoming season though. Are Roy and Glass ready now? Because that's who their centers are at this point after Karlsson.
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10-13-2020, 03:33 PM
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#152
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I'm sure they are.
I'm talking about this upcoming season though. Are Roy and Glass ready now? Because that's who their centers are at this point after Karlsson.
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Unless they try Marchessault at C. It's on his resume.
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10-13-2020, 03:40 PM
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#153
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Unless they try Marchessault at C. It's on his resume.
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Yeah I was looking at their depth chart and wondering if Machessault or Tuch had ever played much C.
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10-13-2020, 03:46 PM
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#154
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I'm sure they are.
I'm talking about this upcoming season though. Are Roy and Glass ready now? Because that's who their centers are at this point after Karlsson.
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Chandler Stephenson could plug a hole in the meantime..
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10-13-2020, 04:00 PM
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#155
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I'm just guessing, but I would imagine in the event of a +20% drop in revenue that teams will have to eat the losses.
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Are you sure? Where did you see that? That is interesting.
That would make the 50/50 split something other than 50/50.
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10-13-2020, 04:05 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I'm just guessing, but I would imagine in the event of a +20% drop in revenue that teams will have to eat the losses.
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Yes, but they'll make it up over the course of the deal.
The numbers may actually be more dramatic, but the players share of HRR per year will likely be something like:
70% 55 40 40 40 45 - owners the inverse (purely illustrative)
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10-13-2020, 05:37 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
The escrow part makes sense. Thanks.
Player salaries are 50% of HRR right?
If the projected cap for 2020-21 is 81.5M, then projected revenue for 2020-21 is 81.5M x 31 x 2 = 5.053B.
What if league revenues drop by more than 20% which is possible if the pandemic gets worse.
If revenues drop 25% for example (3.79B, cap 61.1M) would player salaries actually get reduced or would teams have to shed contracts?
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The cap will not go below $81.5 million.
If the players get overpaid, they essentially will go into debt to the owners. As revenues return to normal, the cap increases will be limited and the excess revenue will be used to make the owners whole.
For a player whose career may end in the next couple of years or so, this will be a slight benefit because they won't be around for all of the make-good years. For a player whose career starts in a couple of years, it will be slightly negative because they won't be around for the overpaid years but will be around for the underpaid years.
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10-13-2020, 05:51 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
People keep talking like other teams are gifting Vegas free cap space.
They have given up Stastny and Schmidt in order to sign Pietrangelo. That's a big loss at C that they have not been able to replace, for an upgrade on D.
Is Pietrangelo that much better than Schmidt to justify the loss of Stastny as well? Maybe, but I don't think other teams are gifting them anything.
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It's pretty much Lehner and Pietrangelo for Schmidt and Stastny. Given that Fleury is still on the team, I would wager that the Knights have made their team worse.
On a team chemistry standpoint, how awkward is the locker room going to be with both Lehner and Fleury fighting for starting minutes? Make no mistake, both of these goalies are starting goalies. But, a middle 6 center that fit in well and a solid #2 defenseman gone and out of the system doesn't seem like Vegas really got any better, even with adding #1D and a #1A goalie.
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10-13-2020, 06:37 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Brisbane
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With Vegas essentially losing Stastny and Schmidt for Pietro, is anyone else getting 2009 Flames, bringing in Bouwmeester while losing Leopold and Cammalleri, vibes? Yes it was a big upgrade on D but the Flames never recovered from the lost offence and were a worse team overall.
Also the current Vegas centre depth is potentially worse than the Flames was in 2009.
Fingers crossed this was a huge mistake and turns Vegas into a bubble team.
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10-13-2020, 07:33 PM
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#160
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by FireGilbert
With Vegas essentially losing Stastny and Schmidt for Pietro, is anyone else getting 2009 Flames, bringing in Bouwmeester while losing Leopold and Cammalleri, vibes? Yes it was a big upgrade on D but the Flames never recovered from the lost offence and were a worse team overall.
Also the current Vegas centre depth is potentially worse than the Flames was in 2009.
Fingers crossed this was a huge mistake and turns Vegas into a bubble team.
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Hopefully they’re on the side of the bubble that keeps the oilers out.
Thumbs up to the rest off the post though!
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