American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[CliffFletcher]

Most Democrats are not onside with the campus protestors. There’s nothing at all unusual or inconsistent about being unhappy about both Trump’s comments and campus radicals occupying universities. This isn’t a ‘pick a lane’ issue for most of the public.

Despite what we may think from the news coverage, Gaza/Palestine isn’t a mainstream political issue. It ranks as the 15th most important issue among 18-29 year old Americans.

https://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/4...on-spring-2024

[Fuzz]

The Spring 2024 Harvard Youth Poll surveyed 2,010 young Americans between 18- and 29 years old nationwide, and was conducted between March 14-21, 2024.

Do you think maybe some things have changed since then? And since when is protesting to stop supporting a murderous regime "radical"?

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

lol no kidding. Boots to heads at peaceful protests with the battle cry of “if you don’t for us the other authoritarian is worse” isn’t exactly winning hearts and minds.

Same thing I said before but when your choices are a fresh turd or a coiled steamy turd why are you shocked when people choose “I’d rather not eat turds at all actually”

A binary choice with two bad choices is no choice at all.

Things are heating up at McGill right now. Don't really see an end in sight

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Do you think maybe some things have changbd since then? And since when is protesting to stop supporting a murderous regime "radical"?

Protesting isn’t radical. Setting up encampments, disrupting campus so other students can’t attend classes, refusing to leave the property you’re occupying when asked by administration, and breaking into buildings and trashing them is. I’d wager public sympathy for the activists has declined even more since they did that stuff.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Protesting isn’t radical. Setting up encampments, disrupting campus so other students can’t attend classes, refusing to leave the property you’re occupying when asked by administration, and breaking into buildings and trashing them is. I’d wager public sympathy for the protesters has declined even more since they did that stuff.

It’s May. Classes and final exams are over, no?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It’s May. Classes and final exams are over, no?

The protests have been going on for weeks. Columbia has had to cancel classes and postpone exams.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Do you think maybe some things have changed since then? And since when is protesting to stop supporting a murderous regime "radical"?

Perhaps the issue is the logical inconsistency.

"Israel and the IDF are committing genocide. Genocide bad!"

Okay, let's let the generous interpretation of genocide stand and say that we should criticize Israel for the callous treatment of Palestinians in Gaza. Fine. Where is the equal criticism of a hateful group in Hamas who has advocated for genocide in their own doctrine? How are they painting these terrorists as "freedom fighters"?

The one-sided narrative of these protests is laughably stupid, and shows absolutely no careful thought about the subject. It's full of those who link this conflict in with things that are only tangentially relevant at best:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/01/u...x_guide_recirc

In interviews, the language of many protesters was also distinctive. Students freely salted their explanations with academic terms like intersectionality, colonialism and imperialism, all to make their case that the plight of Palestinians is a result of global power structures that thrive on bias and oppression.

“As an environmentalist, we pride ourselves on viewing the world through intersectional lenses,” said Katie Rueff, a first-year student at Cornell University. “Climate justice is an everyone issue. It affects every dimension of identity, because it’s rooted in the same struggles of imperialism, capitalism — things like that. I think that’s very true of this conflict, of the genocide in Palestine.”

*groan* This reeks of a kid who learned of a new idea for the first time, and then tries to apply it to everything they see. It's lazy intellectualism, and doesn't make for a very good argument.

Fine, do your protests peacefully, without disrupting the ability of other students to carry on with their affairs. When you have to cancel graduation ceremonies, or start taking over administration buildings, that crosses the line from civil disobedience into something else that infringes on the liberties of others who don't share that view. And part of the idea of civil disobedience is accepting that consequences will inevitably come with that disobedience, such as arrests. Go read on what Dr. King had to say on the subject. It's part of the act of civil disruption to be arrested. It's part of the gameplan. You can't cry foul when it happens.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It’s May. Classes and final exams are over, no?

When I went to university, I took classes through the summer one year. Of course, I didn't go to a fancy ivy league school, but I assume they have courses through the summer as well, but I could be wrong. It was definitely slower than the rest of the year though. Mostly people working on their master's and profs working on their research and writing articles.

[PsYcNeT]

Don't make me tap the sign

https://twitter.com/user/status/1727887134688706922

See: the latest ADL posts trying to whitewash the Stonewall riot and Birmingham marches as being civil and quiet, which we all know at the time were loud, uncivil and violent, but because we're removed and have the convenience of being able to frame the narrative, are now lionized as the "right thing to do" (which they clearly were) but done in "the right way".

[gallione11]

Some Schools do quarters instead of semesters. Portland State, where I finished, and is also experiencing protests and campus closures this week, runs Spring quarter April to mid June, so not even halfway done with the current term.

[ResAlien]

Florida continues to be the one of the dumbest states in the union

https://twitter.com/user/status/1785812567098548461

Tackling the important issues. How anyone with the means to move stays in that state is beyond me. Maybe a decade ago when it was purple-ish and you could justify it but it’s become a backwards backwater full or deeply unserious people. I’d be embarrassed my tax dollars went to literally anything their state politicians have implemented.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Florida continues to be the one of the dumbest states in the union

https://twitter.com/user/status/1785812567098548461

Tackling the important issues. How anyone with the means to move stays in that state is beyond me. Maybe a decade ago when it was purple-ish and you could justify it but it’s become a backwards backwater full or deeply unserious people. I’d be embarrassed my tax dollars went to literally anything their state politicians have implemented.

Well, he was right about trying to get kids off social media. I hate that I have to admit that, but I'm fully supportive of that one.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...a-ban-children

Social media is the Devil (other than CP, Youtube videos I like, and Linked-In if I'm looking to hire or find a new job of course).

Wouldn't mind seeing a national ban for that. And expanded in age range to everyone.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Florida continues to be the one of the dumbest states in the union

https://twitter.com/user/status/1785812567098548461

Tackling the important issues. How anyone with the means to move stays in that state is beyond me. Maybe a decade ago when it was purple-ish and you could justify it but it’s become a backwards backwater full or deeply unserious people. I’d be embarrassed my tax dollars went to literally anything their state politicians have implemented.

Well, we have at least one CP'er who lives there and has indicated with other posts that they have the means to live elsewhere, but are still there.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Well, we have at least one CP'er who lives there and has indicated with other posts that they have the means to live elsewhere, but are still there.

That weather is a helluva drug?

Honestly though with the weather we are going thru right now I would be a lot more tolerant of idiot politics in exchange for some nice weather. We get the worst of both in Alberta right now.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Well, we have at least one CP'er who lives there and has indicated with other posts that they have the means to live elsewhere, but are still there.

Family...it's entirely for family reasons. It was the reason we moved here in the first place too. It's not like we loved the culture here, even when we moved here over a decade ago.

People live places for all sorts of reasons and often it has very little to do with the local politics.

[ResAlien]

Sorry my point was just to crap on Florida. This junk, the book banning silliness, the fights with Disney, it’s not a serious place. Nice beaches though that’s for sure.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Sorry my point was just to crap on Florida. This junk, the book banning silliness, the fights with Disney, it’s not a serious place. Nice beaches though that’s for sure.

Crap away! I have lots of gripes about this state overall.

When De Santis did his anti-woke #### with New College, our university decided to rescue some faculty who wanted to land somewhere nice. There's pockets of really good stuff in the state, it's just hard to see at a distance because all you hear about is the crazy.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

lol no kidding. Boots to heads at peaceful protests with the battle cry of “if you don’t for us the other authoritarian is worse” isn’t exactly winning hearts and minds.

Same thing I said before but when your choices are a fresh turd or a coiled steamy turd why are you shocked when people choose “I’d rather not eat turds at all actually”

A binary choice with two bad choices is no choice at all.

More like ones a hand grenade with the pin pulled about to explode and send steaming hot shrapnel into everyone. The others an elastic band you snap on your wrist.

There’s honestly no comparison between the two. As Biden said today you are allowed to protest, you are not allowed to do some of the things they are doing. I will also add the federal government is not the ones currently doing anything about the protestors, it’s local officials making those calls. I guarantee you Trump would be trying to use the national guard.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1786021754411839864

[Harry Lime]

Ron Desantis is an elite of the World Economic Forum. If you see a bug, he has sent it for you to eat. Peasant. Bow to your elite better, of the World Economic Forum, Ron Desantis.

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